Weird behavioural question
Discussion
My friend adopted a female border terrier, who turned out to be dog aggressive. However from day 1 she has been great friends with my Bullie Stella. But Stella would hump her and the border wouldn't retaliate.
The border went to boot camp and came back with a lot more confidence and was more out going. Over time she's started to hump Stella back..... well stand a side her and pump, like a teddy bear, quite comical.
Anyway last night, they had been playing, the border was humping Stella's side but then the border wee'd!!
She did this twice over the course of the night.
Why would she be trying to give my dog a golden shower?? Is it a dominance thing? We need to nip this in the bud, we rely on each other to dog sit, so we can't have this going on!
Help!
Thanks
The border went to boot camp and came back with a lot more confidence and was more out going. Over time she's started to hump Stella back..... well stand a side her and pump, like a teddy bear, quite comical.
Anyway last night, they had been playing, the border was humping Stella's side but then the border wee'd!!
She did this twice over the course of the night.
Why would she be trying to give my dog a golden shower?? Is it a dominance thing? We need to nip this in the bud, we rely on each other to dog sit, so we can't have this going on!
Help!
Thanks
I'm sorry... I have no idea... so this isn't a particularly helpful response, but...
!!Poor Stella!
(I can't even begin to imagine the logistics of a female dog weeing on another dog!)
I suppose the start point is whether it's physiological (weak bladder exacerbated by playing, etc), or behavioural - if behavioural, might it actually be submissive? You know when some really nervous dogs wee when intimated, or some wee when over-excited... she might be weeing in some sort of "stop playing with me" manner? No idea, though!
Bookmarked this one - interesting behaviour!
Stella's smile! 
In fact, Stella in general!
Do you not think it's a dominance thing then, Rach?
I'd agree with J&J in that dominance issue is possible, if border terrier is now full of doggy cahonas... but am aware there might be other reasons for it (although admittedly none as likely as dominance).
In fact, Stella in general!
Do you not think it's a dominance thing then, Rach?
I'd agree with J&J in that dominance issue is possible, if border terrier is now full of doggy cahonas... but am aware there might be other reasons for it (although admittedly none as likely as dominance).
Rach* said:
Awww thanks, she is a pretty girl!
Yeah, dominance sprang to mind, but no idea how to stop this! Worried that she did it suddenly after so long as pals. Taking them out tomo afternoon so we'll see if there's any odd behaviour then
She is indeed a pretty girl!Yeah, dominance sprang to mind, but no idea how to stop this! Worried that she did it suddenly after so long as pals. Taking them out tomo afternoon so we'll see if there's any odd behaviour then
If the border terrier has "learnt" some new assertive types of behaviours, she may just have up'd her anti with Stella - Stella won't know she's been away at boot camp learning New Techniques, will she
So won't have known to deal with her any differently, hence border terrier (....wait for it.........) taking the piss with Stella...
See what you can spot tomorrow. A walk together might just sort them out - together, but no attention on each other.
Ooooh, boot camp was about 8 months ago, she came back more confident. But did the weeing thing last night.
Oh, also my friend had her grumpy old bullie come and stay at the house this week, which may have upset her. She's easily disturbed I think, she peed a few times first time she stayed at mine, but only once last time.
But doing the golden shower thing was very weird!!
Oh, also my friend had her grumpy old bullie come and stay at the house this week, which may have upset her. She's easily disturbed I think, she peed a few times first time she stayed at mine, but only once last time.
But doing the golden shower thing was very weird!!
When they spend time together I would leave leads on them in the home. Should either one commence humping I would simply use an 'Off!' command as you use the lead to bring that dog away from the other. Place the offending dog into a sit or down stay by your feet until you feel the dog is calm and under your control.
Another slightly more blunt approach is that you do the same as above, but instead of a sit or down at your feet, you place the dog out of the room for 60 seconds and then bring back into the room. Repeat as required
This should be more than adequate for this relatively low level behaviour which does not include any aggressive traits between them.
Prompt intervention is important and don't shout the 'Off' command, but make it a clear concise command.
Basically, you want it to stop and this is how i would go about it. prevent them form getting too excited in the home with excessive play. I guide people to make the home a calm place to chill. Outside the place to let off steam. That simple rule can help with this sort of behaviour.
I would avoid over analyzing if it's dominance and so on (people put things down to dominance all too often). So just focus on finding a solution to stopping it. Urination is typically a submissive trait.
Hope that helps a little.
Nick
Another slightly more blunt approach is that you do the same as above, but instead of a sit or down at your feet, you place the dog out of the room for 60 seconds and then bring back into the room. Repeat as required
This should be more than adequate for this relatively low level behaviour which does not include any aggressive traits between them.
Prompt intervention is important and don't shout the 'Off' command, but make it a clear concise command.
Basically, you want it to stop and this is how i would go about it. prevent them form getting too excited in the home with excessive play. I guide people to make the home a calm place to chill. Outside the place to let off steam. That simple rule can help with this sort of behaviour.
I would avoid over analyzing if it's dominance and so on (people put things down to dominance all too often). So just focus on finding a solution to stopping it. Urination is typically a submissive trait.
Hope that helps a little.
Nick
We had a bad time out yesterday, Stella was happy plodding along.
But poor Lolly, there were so many dogs at Virginia Water, and she pretty much relapsed with her going mental everytime a dog went past and unfortunately a puppy came up.... I warned the owner that Lolly wasn't friendly, but Lolly grabbed it's lip
So she's going back to boot camp
But poor Lolly, there were so many dogs at Virginia Water, and she pretty much relapsed with her going mental everytime a dog went past and unfortunately a puppy came up.... I warned the owner that Lolly wasn't friendly, but Lolly grabbed it's lip
So she's going back to boot camp
Superficial said:
When you say boot camp do you literally mean sending the dog off to be trained away from the owner? Really hope not as that is an awful way to train
Agree with Superficial. It's you the owner that needs the direction so that you are then able to handle the dog in an appropriate way with adequate controls in place when out in public. Working one to one with an experienced trainer is the way to go. This way you will gain new skills and the dog should listen to you and not another trainer as a result.Drop me an email if you like and I can send you some notes on the introduction and use of a muzzle as safety will be your first step.
Nick
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