Long Haul Air Passenger Duty - AVOID
Long Haul Air Passenger Duty - AVOID
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bad company

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21,920 posts

297 months

Thursday 4th July 2013
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It seems that there is a way around APS after all - http://www.cheapflights.co.uk/news/air-passenger-d... .

Hopefully if enough people route thru Dublin APD might be reduced. smile

anonymous-user

85 months

Thursday 4th July 2013
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It's not really a secret though is it? hehe

Same with flying from Amsterdam or many other european hubs. The problem is there are usually extra costs with getting flights to and from there before your longhaul one. Perhaps even a nights stay if it's an early morning flight, as most westbound long haul flights are.


bad company

Original Poster:

21,920 posts

297 months

Thursday 4th July 2013
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el stovey said:
It's not really a secret though is it? hehe

Same with flying from Amsterdam or many other european hubs. The problem is there are usually extra costs with getting flights to and from there before your longhaul one. Perhaps even a nights stay if it's an early morning flight, as most westbound long haul flights are.
No not a secret but I don't think too many people are aware that the tax can be avoided. Also if flying to the USA you can clear immigration at Dublin potentially saving a lot of time on arrival.

Puggit

49,832 posts

279 months

Thursday 4th July 2013
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There is a massive danger with this too. You will need separate tickets for LHR-DUB and DUB-JFK (for exmaple). If you miss your LHR-DUB flight for whatever reason, you have zero protection (apart from travel insurance) for your DUB-JFK flight.

Whereas if you flew LHR-DUB-JFK on a single ticket, the airline(s) would be responsible for you reaching JFK as soon as possible if your LHR-DUB flight was messed up. If you book a single ticket for both flights, the tax is payable.




I saw a stat yesterday that the average profit per pax per flight out of LHR is around £2.50. The average tax take is £22. Pure greed by this government, and the previous one (Brown is responsible for this tax).

stu67

891 posts

219 months

Thursday 4th July 2013
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I've got an office in NY (well not me personally I'm not a well built co director), I do this all the time. My mum and dad live in Ireland so it can be useful also to break the journey for free! To be honest it takes a bit more time but as said you can clear US customs in Dublin which can be worth it's weight in gold.

Oh and you meet a much better class of people on Aer Lingus rather than Virgin which seems to be like a long haul package holiday flight recently.

ChrisBMW

328 posts

179 months

Thursday 4th July 2013
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We tend to fly out of Dublin to the states as its only a 2 hour drive for us, saved about £1000 of the cost of a trip to Vegas last year

uuf361

3,185 posts

253 months

Thursday 4th July 2013
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I can't see many people wanting to do this as it adds hours onto an already long journey.....

squicky

278 posts

211 months

Thursday 4th July 2013
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We've been looking into this with out pending trip back to china however ended up booking direct flights - it just didn't save enough money to justify the cost savings.

Switching to Air China rather than Virgin or Cathay did save us nearly 150quid pp though...

miln0039

2,013 posts

189 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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The savings on business class are HUGE. Plus you can earn even more airline status credit if you're clever about it.


LeoSayer

7,860 posts

275 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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Surely this kind of tax avoidance is morally repugnant wink

miln0039

2,013 posts

189 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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LeoSayer said:
Surely this kind of tax avoidance is morally repugnant wink
Just call me Starbucks smile

LHRFlightman

2,265 posts

201 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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Puggit said:
There is a massive danger with this too. You will need separate tickets for LHR-DUB and DUB-JFK (for exmaple). If you miss your LHR-DUB flight for whatever reason, you have zero protection (apart from travel insurance) for your DUB-JFK flight.

Whereas if you flew LHR-DUB-JFK on a single ticket, the airline(s) would be responsible for you reaching JFK as soon as possible if your LHR-DUB flight was messed up. If you book a single ticket for both flights, the tax is payable.




I saw a stat yesterday that the average profit per pax per flight out of LHR is around £2.50. The average tax take is £22. Pure greed by this government, and the previous one (Brown is responsible for this tax).
That statistic is shocking. An you provide a source?

s70rmp

678 posts

160 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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we flew out to Boston last September Man>Dub>Bos business class with the Lingus, everybody had said how crap they were.
We actually found them to be up there with the best airlines. Nothing was too much. We'll be using them again.
£2800 return Business class for 2 adults !

WhereamI

6,887 posts

248 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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s70rmp said:
we flew out to Boston last September Man>Dub>Bos business class with the Lingus, everybody had said how crap they were.
We actually found them to be up there with the best airlines. Nothing was too much. We'll be using them again.
£2800 return Business class for 2 adults !
I did it a month ago, to be fair the seats aren't up there with the best - they aren't fully reclining and the lounges aren't great. But the food and service is good and it is really good value. And since you can't do Boston direct from Manchester it's as good a route as any other.

BTW you can't clear customs in Dublin for Boston

s70rmp

678 posts

160 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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WhereamI said:
I did it a month ago, to be fair the seats aren't up there with the best - they aren't fully reclining and the lounges aren't great. But the food and service is good and it is really good value. And since you can't do Boston direct from Manchester it's as good a route as any other.

BTW you can't clear customs in Dublin for Boston
we had recaro business seat which move to be a flat bed (on our trip, and as we were first of the plane we cleared customs in a matter of minutes. I think from getting off the plane to being at the car rental desk was less then 25 mins including the wait for the bus.

WhereamI

6,887 posts

248 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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They are all the same, like this:


By the standards of some other airlines like etihad:


comparatively they aren't great, not least because they don't go flat, they are at an angle. They are the state of the art from about five or more years ago but decent for the price.

s70rmp

678 posts

160 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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we thought the seat were very comfy

Yes Etihad have better seat but there flights cost more and they didn't do a Boston flight.

We did try to go over to Boston a few weeks ago for the Stanley Cup game 6 but couldn't get a good deal.

American Airlines Business class seats used to be like huge arm chairs. Very comfy. The had a great service
from Manchester to Boston direct but they stopped it in 2009 I think, never to return.

uuf361

3,185 posts

253 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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Erm no flat bed in business, you don't save time by clearing immigration and adds I guess 90 mins on the journey - I'm out!

s70rmp

678 posts

160 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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certain flights out of Dublin/Shannon do clear customs

WhereamI

6,887 posts

248 months

Friday 5th July 2013
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Yes, they are good value, I just take issue with the 'up there with the best' comment.

Etihad are both good and inexpensive, I do Australia return with Etihad for under £3k in business, which isn't much more than most airlines charge across the atlantic. But being able to do the atlantic for £1500 with Air Fungus is good, the others aren't better to the extent of being worth the extra money and many of them aren't better at all.