2 weeks in Japan
Discussion
I'm trying to talk the wife into a 2 week trip to Japan, it's somewhere I've wanted to go back to since I was there in 2002. However she's a little unsure on 2 fronts.
First the cost of the flights, by cashing in airmiles and I'm able to get 2 business class seats for £1400. I know this is a good price, but it's still a lot of money. However I'm not sure how much it costs when we are out there? I was working last time and have no idea what I was spending (Don't mean to sound flippant but as I was on expenses I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention!)
Also after we spent 3 weeks in China I think she's relating her experience there to how Japan will be, I'm not sure that's the case as I loved Tokyo when I was there.
So what sort of plan should we look for? I'm thinking 3/4 nights in Tokyo and another 10 nights spread between 2 or 3 other locations. What I'd like to avoid is another 'big' city, so Yokohama is out of the question. So I'm happy to hop on a train and head out into the country side or something more rural, I'm just not sure where at the moment.
First the cost of the flights, by cashing in airmiles and I'm able to get 2 business class seats for £1400. I know this is a good price, but it's still a lot of money. However I'm not sure how much it costs when we are out there? I was working last time and have no idea what I was spending (Don't mean to sound flippant but as I was on expenses I wasn't paying a huge amount of attention!)
Also after we spent 3 weeks in China I think she's relating her experience there to how Japan will be, I'm not sure that's the case as I loved Tokyo when I was there.
So what sort of plan should we look for? I'm thinking 3/4 nights in Tokyo and another 10 nights spread between 2 or 3 other locations. What I'd like to avoid is another 'big' city, so Yokohama is out of the question. So I'm happy to hop on a train and head out into the country side or something more rural, I'm just not sure where at the moment.
I have been many times, ( my wife can speak and read Japanese).
(1) Kyoto is a must. Old capital, not bombed in WW2..spectacular temples.
(2) Hiroshima and the nearby temple at Myajima is interesting.
(3) If you want to do something really oddball, go to Naoshima, which has a simply amazing modern art museum that is embedded in a fishing village. You can actually stay in the hotel and wander the gallery at night.
(4) Remember that very little English is spoken in Japan and effectively zero outside Tokyo/Kyoto. Signs will be in Kanji only.
(6) Get yourself railpasses in advance. Worth going first class. Best trains in the world.
(7) If you are doing a lot of travelling, have your luggage forwarded to the next hotel. It is 100% reliable and inexpensive. All Japanese do it this way. I think the big delivery service in called Black Cat.
Wonderful country, japan.
(1) Kyoto is a must. Old capital, not bombed in WW2..spectacular temples.
(2) Hiroshima and the nearby temple at Myajima is interesting.
(3) If you want to do something really oddball, go to Naoshima, which has a simply amazing modern art museum that is embedded in a fishing village. You can actually stay in the hotel and wander the gallery at night.
(4) Remember that very little English is spoken in Japan and effectively zero outside Tokyo/Kyoto. Signs will be in Kanji only.
(6) Get yourself railpasses in advance. Worth going first class. Best trains in the world.
(7) If you are doing a lot of travelling, have your luggage forwarded to the next hotel. It is 100% reliable and inexpensive. All Japanese do it this way. I think the big delivery service in called Black Cat.
Wonderful country, japan.
RDMcG said:
I have been many times, ( my wife can speak and read Japanese).
(1) Kyoto is a must. Old capital, not bombed in WW2..spectacular temples.
(2) Hiroshima and the nearby temple at Myajima is interesting.
(3) If you want to do something really oddball, go to Naoshima, which has a simply amazing modern art museum that is embedded in a fishing village. You can actually stay in the hotel and wander the gallery at night.
(4) Remember that very little English is spoken in Japan and effectively zero outside Tokyo/Kyoto. Signs will be in Kanji only.
(6) Get yourself railpasses in advance. Worth going first class. Best trains in the world.
(7) If you are doing a lot of travelling, have your luggage forwarded to the next hotel. It is 100% reliable and inexpensive. All Japanese do it this way. I think the big delivery service in called Black Cat.
Wonderful country, japan.
Excellent advice above. I lived there for a few years and you will see my view on 'must do things' in Japan/Tokyo on previous threads if you do a quick search.(1) Kyoto is a must. Old capital, not bombed in WW2..spectacular temples.
(2) Hiroshima and the nearby temple at Myajima is interesting.
(3) If you want to do something really oddball, go to Naoshima, which has a simply amazing modern art museum that is embedded in a fishing village. You can actually stay in the hotel and wander the gallery at night.
(4) Remember that very little English is spoken in Japan and effectively zero outside Tokyo/Kyoto. Signs will be in Kanji only.
(6) Get yourself railpasses in advance. Worth going first class. Best trains in the world.
(7) If you are doing a lot of travelling, have your luggage forwarded to the next hotel. It is 100% reliable and inexpensive. All Japanese do it this way. I think the big delivery service in called Black Cat.
Wonderful country, japan.
In generic terms, I would give yourself 4~5 days to explore Tokyo/Yokohama/Kamakura, 1 day at Mt Fuji/Hakone, 3~4 days in Osaka/Kyoto/Nara, 2~3 days in Hiroshima.
As above, use the Shinkansen (Bullet trains) to get around - very quick, cheap and extremely dependable, and very 'Japanese'. The use of English is increasing - and in the major cities you will find road signs and railway station signs with English sub-text. But as ever, learn a few words of Japanese, and they will love you for it - it's actually quite an easy language to learn.
It's a truly wonderful country.
theboyfold said:
Thanks for the advice so far, confirms pretty much what I was thinking, just need to convince her ladyship now 
What's the cost of hotels / eating out etc like over there at the moment? Is the £ weak against the yen at the moment?
When the excahnge rate was around Y220/£, prices were 'on par' with the UK for food/drink/shopping etc.What's the cost of hotels / eating out etc like over there at the moment? Is the £ weak against the yen at the moment?
Now it's around Y130/£, it's rather expensive, but not prohibitively so.
theboyfold said:
Thanks for the advice so far, confirms pretty much what I was thinking, just need to convince her ladyship now
What's the cost of hotels / eating out etc like over there at the moment? Is the £ weak against the yen at the moment?
Was out there last week, a budget hotel just outside the centre of Tokyo was 8,925 yen. Other hotels I stayed were around 8,000 yen including breakfastWhat's the cost of hotels / eating out etc like over there at the moment? Is the £ weak against the yen at the moment?
Narita-Tokyo City Air Terminal by bus 2,900 yen.
A lot of signs are now in English, and I found station staff spoke enough english for me to buy a ticket give directions etc.
Me and the missus did two weeks in October just gone.
We're Northerners, ergo, tight with money. We flew out a day apart on BA courier flights for £300 each. But i doubt this is an option as you're looking a Business Class in the first place.
I had always wanted to go and handily enough, my brother-in-law works in Tokyo, so we used his flat for a few days, and travelled around the rest of the time.
It is really expensive. As an example, Beers are expensive, about £8 and you get a glass, not a pint and half of it is froth.
I'll try and work out our route and post it up here, however, it took a lot of planning. It's not somewhere you can turn up and 'wing it'. My BIL has a fantastic secretary who helped with bookings and maps.
RDMcG's points are all good ones. The rail pass is a must, buy it in UK as it's saves hundreds of pounds. Be sure to understand before you go the types of lines and what you can use your pass for and what extras you need to book.
I'll get the link for you, but if you want to wow your wife into it, we stayed in an exclusive hotel in their equivalent of the Lake District. It has natural springs (onsens) and was simply mind blowing... but for £800 per night, it should be.
It's a fantastic place, but i can't stress how much you need to plan to get the most out of it. It can be a little tiring with the language barrier and cultural difference. You can bow your way out of anything, but don't expect to get treated brilliantly everywhere. Some places don't want Gijin in their place and they make no bones about tell you.
The other odd thing that we didn't expect was the food. We're really into our food, and generally, we try to eat at local places that are cheap, but where the food is excellent. We found that the cheaper the food, the worse it was, counter to anywhere else we've be too.
I’m happy to help with any specific questions if they arise, but like I say, I’ll get a list of where we went and a link to the onsen hotel.
Cheers
David
We're Northerners, ergo, tight with money. We flew out a day apart on BA courier flights for £300 each. But i doubt this is an option as you're looking a Business Class in the first place.
I had always wanted to go and handily enough, my brother-in-law works in Tokyo, so we used his flat for a few days, and travelled around the rest of the time.
It is really expensive. As an example, Beers are expensive, about £8 and you get a glass, not a pint and half of it is froth.
I'll try and work out our route and post it up here, however, it took a lot of planning. It's not somewhere you can turn up and 'wing it'. My BIL has a fantastic secretary who helped with bookings and maps.
RDMcG's points are all good ones. The rail pass is a must, buy it in UK as it's saves hundreds of pounds. Be sure to understand before you go the types of lines and what you can use your pass for and what extras you need to book.
I'll get the link for you, but if you want to wow your wife into it, we stayed in an exclusive hotel in their equivalent of the Lake District. It has natural springs (onsens) and was simply mind blowing... but for £800 per night, it should be.
It's a fantastic place, but i can't stress how much you need to plan to get the most out of it. It can be a little tiring with the language barrier and cultural difference. You can bow your way out of anything, but don't expect to get treated brilliantly everywhere. Some places don't want Gijin in their place and they make no bones about tell you.
The other odd thing that we didn't expect was the food. We're really into our food, and generally, we try to eat at local places that are cheap, but where the food is excellent. We found that the cheaper the food, the worse it was, counter to anywhere else we've be too.
I’m happy to help with any specific questions if they arise, but like I say, I’ll get a list of where we went and a link to the onsen hotel.
Cheers
David
had ham said:
RDMcG said:
I have been many times, ( my wife can speak and read Japanese).
(1) Kyoto is a must. Old capital, not bombed in WW2..spectacular temples.
(2) Hiroshima and the nearby temple at Miyajima is interesting.
(3) If you want to do something really oddball, go to Naoshima, which has a simply amazing modern art museum that is embedded in a fishing village. You can actually stay in the hotel and wander the gallery at night.
(4) Remember that very little English is spoken in Japan and effectively zero outside Tokyo/Kyoto. Signs will be in Kanji only.
(6) Get yourself railpasses in advance. Worth going first class. Best trains in the world.
(7) If you are doing a lot of travelling, have your luggage forwarded to the next hotel. It is 100% reliable and inexpensive. All Japanese do it this way. I think the big delivery service in called Black Cat.
Excellent advice above. I lived there for a few years and you will see my view on 'must do things' in Japan/Tokyo on previous threads if you do a quick search.(1) Kyoto is a must. Old capital, not bombed in WW2..spectacular temples.
(2) Hiroshima and the nearby temple at Miyajima is interesting.
(3) If you want to do something really oddball, go to Naoshima, which has a simply amazing modern art museum that is embedded in a fishing village. You can actually stay in the hotel and wander the gallery at night.
(4) Remember that very little English is spoken in Japan and effectively zero outside Tokyo/Kyoto. Signs will be in Kanji only.
(6) Get yourself railpasses in advance. Worth going first class. Best trains in the world.
(7) If you are doing a lot of travelling, have your luggage forwarded to the next hotel. It is 100% reliable and inexpensive. All Japanese do it this way. I think the big delivery service in called Black Cat.
In generic terms, I would give yourself 4~5 days to explore Tokyo/Yokohama/Kamakura, 1 day at Mt Fuji/Hakone, 3~4 days in Osaka/Kyoto/Nara, 2~3 days in Hiroshima.
As above, use the Shinkansen (Bullet trains) to get around - very quick, cheap and extremely dependable, and very 'Japanese'. The use of English is increasing - and in the major cities you will find road signs and railway station signs with English sub-text. But as ever, learn a few words of Japanese, and they will love you for it - it's actually quite an easy language to learn.
It's a truly wonderful country.
Miyajima is beautiful - we spent most of a day there.
Hiroshima nice too.
Nara is worth a day-trip (or at least a 1/2-day)
Kyoto worth plenty of time...we enjoyed just strolling around the different areas, marvelling at how it resembled a western city-centre one minute and something classically Japanese the next!
Also research the following:-
- Matsuri (=festivals, but traditional type with floats and stuff). Pretty sure that one of the two Takayama Matsuri is in October - check if it coincides! We went to Japan last April and saw the spring one at Takayama...and while it was rather twee and kitsch it was really interesting (even raining). Definitely worth taking one of those in if your trip coincides, but the big ones (of which Takayama is one) get booked up MONTHS in advance (i.e. accomodation) - we had to split it into two separate nights there - first night in a mountain-style ryokan, second in an Onsen (hotel with hot springs - very cool!).
- Kamakura horseback archery demonstrations - on Sundays once or twice a month at the temple there...rammed to the rafters with tourists and locals there for the spectacle, but oh-so-cool to watch - old-style samurai style stuff!
Finally, I got a CD&book language class - which was very useful, even if I only learned a handful of phrases.
Edit: Tokyo IS expensive (esp. the expat bars, which are £££), same as London is more expensive than the rest of the UK. Elsewhere wasn't cheap (we were there at ~Y140/£1), but wasn't hugely more than the UK.
Edited by havoc on Thursday 18th March 21:02
Japan is my favourite country.
I have to disagree with some of the previous posters though
Japan, even at 135Y/£ is not as expensive as people would have you think. IMO it is no more expensive than France is now. Of course if you eat in fancy places in Tokyo it's going to cost you (and plenty of them are worth it!), but that is like visiting London, staying and eating in Mayfair, then thinking how expensive it is.
You can certainly get by on no Japanese, even out in the sticks, but you will be missing out on a lot. Most Japanese people are very keen to try and help, so if you are comfortable with pointing and sign language you can always make some headway. But it is worth learning some of the language if you can.
The rail pass is a 100% necessity. But I wouldn't bother with first [green] class - normal class on the shinkansen usually has more legroom than you need (i'm 6'4") and plenty of width. The trains are great fun!
I love tokyo, although I have been lucky enough to only stay in super fancy hotels there (not out of my own pocket). It is worth spending several days here I think. Tokyo at night, especially Ginza, is a sight to behold. Personally I would avoid Roppongi, it's pretty naff, unless you want to stay in the Ritz which has an INCREDIBLE view. Tsukiji fish market is good fun - but there are plenty of threads here about what to do in Tokyo.
Along with tokyo my favourite city is Sapporo. the problem is that it takes a whole day to get there on the train from tokyo.
If you are flying to Japan on ANA then you can get two internal flights for free. For example, last time I went I flew london-tokyo-sapporo, then worked my way down over the course of a fortnight, and flew back fukuoka-tokyo-london. That air ticket was the same price as just going London-tokyo return. Bargain.
Hiroshima is interesting, and moving. Miyajima is also worthwhile.
My personal opinion is that Kyoto is worth doing once, but I find it boring. Once you have seen 3 temples you've seen them all. Fushimi-Inari (I think that's it) is very cool. But the city is expensive for accommodation, unsurprisingly.
At the far south of the country, Kagoshima is a nice place to spend some time, but it may be a bit far for a first trip.
MY focus in Japan (and most places) is food. Nowhere in the world is more food obsessed than the Japanese: you will not believe the number of restaurants there are. In Sapporo there is a tiny place which does Italian inspired Japanese food, which is superb. I got six courses and a few beers for less than £30 - and people say it's an expensive country! However my favourite sushi place in Tokyo costs about £120 without drinks, however I think it is worth it. There is a steak restaurant in Ginza where the steaks are £200+ each. Apparently they are transcendent but I still haven't plucked up the courage to go. If you like beef then you could stop off in Kobe and get a fantastic steak (as long as you don't mind it spoiling your opinion of English steaks) for about £60. I could go on about this sort of stuff for hours - if you are interested in food then let me know where you decide to visit and I can give you some recommendations.
anyway, have fun!
I have to disagree with some of the previous posters though
Japan, even at 135Y/£ is not as expensive as people would have you think. IMO it is no more expensive than France is now. Of course if you eat in fancy places in Tokyo it's going to cost you (and plenty of them are worth it!), but that is like visiting London, staying and eating in Mayfair, then thinking how expensive it is.
You can certainly get by on no Japanese, even out in the sticks, but you will be missing out on a lot. Most Japanese people are very keen to try and help, so if you are comfortable with pointing and sign language you can always make some headway. But it is worth learning some of the language if you can.
The rail pass is a 100% necessity. But I wouldn't bother with first [green] class - normal class on the shinkansen usually has more legroom than you need (i'm 6'4") and plenty of width. The trains are great fun!
I love tokyo, although I have been lucky enough to only stay in super fancy hotels there (not out of my own pocket). It is worth spending several days here I think. Tokyo at night, especially Ginza, is a sight to behold. Personally I would avoid Roppongi, it's pretty naff, unless you want to stay in the Ritz which has an INCREDIBLE view. Tsukiji fish market is good fun - but there are plenty of threads here about what to do in Tokyo.
Along with tokyo my favourite city is Sapporo. the problem is that it takes a whole day to get there on the train from tokyo.
If you are flying to Japan on ANA then you can get two internal flights for free. For example, last time I went I flew london-tokyo-sapporo, then worked my way down over the course of a fortnight, and flew back fukuoka-tokyo-london. That air ticket was the same price as just going London-tokyo return. Bargain.
Hiroshima is interesting, and moving. Miyajima is also worthwhile.
My personal opinion is that Kyoto is worth doing once, but I find it boring. Once you have seen 3 temples you've seen them all. Fushimi-Inari (I think that's it) is very cool. But the city is expensive for accommodation, unsurprisingly.
At the far south of the country, Kagoshima is a nice place to spend some time, but it may be a bit far for a first trip.
MY focus in Japan (and most places) is food. Nowhere in the world is more food obsessed than the Japanese: you will not believe the number of restaurants there are. In Sapporo there is a tiny place which does Italian inspired Japanese food, which is superb. I got six courses and a few beers for less than £30 - and people say it's an expensive country! However my favourite sushi place in Tokyo costs about £120 without drinks, however I think it is worth it. There is a steak restaurant in Ginza where the steaks are £200+ each. Apparently they are transcendent but I still haven't plucked up the courage to go. If you like beef then you could stop off in Kobe and get a fantastic steak (as long as you don't mind it spoiling your opinion of English steaks) for about £60. I could go on about this sort of stuff for hours - if you are interested in food then let me know where you decide to visit and I can give you some recommendations.
anyway, have fun!
dcw@pr said:
Japan is my favourite country.
I have to disagree with some of the previous posters though
Japan, even at 135Y/£ is not as expensive as people would have you think. IMO it is no more expensive than France is now. Of course if you eat in fancy places in Tokyo it's going to cost you (and plenty of them are worth it!), but that is like visiting London, staying and eating in Mayfair, then thinking how expensive it is.
You can certainly get by on no Japanese, even out in the sticks, but you will be missing out on a lot. Most Japanese people are very keen to try and help, so if you are comfortable with pointing and sign language you can always make some headway. But it is worth learning some of the language if you can.
The rail pass is a 100% necessity. But I wouldn't bother with first [green] class - normal class on the shinkansen usually has more legroom than you need (i'm 6'4") and plenty of width. The trains are great fun!
I love tokyo, although I have been lucky enough to only stay in super fancy hotels there (not out of my own pocket). It is worth spending several days here I think. Tokyo at night, especially Ginza, is a sight to behold. Personally I would avoid Roppongi, it's pretty naff, unless you want to stay in the Ritz which has an INCREDIBLE view. Tsukiji fish market is good fun - but there are plenty of threads here about what to do in Tokyo.
Along with tokyo my favourite city is Sapporo. the problem is that it takes a whole day to get there on the train from tokyo.
If you are flying to Japan on ANA then you can get two internal flights for free. For example, last time I went I flew london-tokyo-sapporo, then worked my way down over the course of a fortnight, and flew back fukuoka-tokyo-london. That air ticket was the same price as just going London-tokyo return. Bargain.
Hiroshima is interesting, and moving. Miyajima is also worthwhile.
My personal opinion is that Kyoto is worth doing once, but I find it boring. Once you have seen 3 temples you've seen them all. Fushimi-Inari (I think that's it) is very cool. But the city is expensive for accommodation, unsurprisingly.
At the far south of the country, Kagoshima is a nice place to spend some time, but it may be a bit far for a first trip.
MY focus in Japan (and most places) is food. Nowhere in the world is more food obsessed than the Japanese: you will not believe the number of restaurants there are. In Sapporo there is a tiny place which does Italian inspired Japanese food, which is superb. I got six courses and a few beers for less than £30 - and people say it's an expensive country! However my favourite sushi place in Tokyo costs about £120 without drinks, however I think it is worth it. There is a steak restaurant in Ginza where the steaks are £200+ each. Apparently they are transcendent but I still haven't plucked up the courage to go. If you like beef then you could stop off in Kobe and get a fantastic steak (as long as you don't mind it spoiling your opinion of English steaks) for about £60. I could go on about this sort of stuff for hours - if you are interested in food then let me know where you decide to visit and I can give you some recommendations.
anyway, have fun!
you sell it well. I have to disagree with some of the previous posters though
Japan, even at 135Y/£ is not as expensive as people would have you think. IMO it is no more expensive than France is now. Of course if you eat in fancy places in Tokyo it's going to cost you (and plenty of them are worth it!), but that is like visiting London, staying and eating in Mayfair, then thinking how expensive it is.
You can certainly get by on no Japanese, even out in the sticks, but you will be missing out on a lot. Most Japanese people are very keen to try and help, so if you are comfortable with pointing and sign language you can always make some headway. But it is worth learning some of the language if you can.
The rail pass is a 100% necessity. But I wouldn't bother with first [green] class - normal class on the shinkansen usually has more legroom than you need (i'm 6'4") and plenty of width. The trains are great fun!
I love tokyo, although I have been lucky enough to only stay in super fancy hotels there (not out of my own pocket). It is worth spending several days here I think. Tokyo at night, especially Ginza, is a sight to behold. Personally I would avoid Roppongi, it's pretty naff, unless you want to stay in the Ritz which has an INCREDIBLE view. Tsukiji fish market is good fun - but there are plenty of threads here about what to do in Tokyo.
Along with tokyo my favourite city is Sapporo. the problem is that it takes a whole day to get there on the train from tokyo.
If you are flying to Japan on ANA then you can get two internal flights for free. For example, last time I went I flew london-tokyo-sapporo, then worked my way down over the course of a fortnight, and flew back fukuoka-tokyo-london. That air ticket was the same price as just going London-tokyo return. Bargain.
Hiroshima is interesting, and moving. Miyajima is also worthwhile.
My personal opinion is that Kyoto is worth doing once, but I find it boring. Once you have seen 3 temples you've seen them all. Fushimi-Inari (I think that's it) is very cool. But the city is expensive for accommodation, unsurprisingly.
At the far south of the country, Kagoshima is a nice place to spend some time, but it may be a bit far for a first trip.
MY focus in Japan (and most places) is food. Nowhere in the world is more food obsessed than the Japanese: you will not believe the number of restaurants there are. In Sapporo there is a tiny place which does Italian inspired Japanese food, which is superb. I got six courses and a few beers for less than £30 - and people say it's an expensive country! However my favourite sushi place in Tokyo costs about £120 without drinks, however I think it is worth it. There is a steak restaurant in Ginza where the steaks are £200+ each. Apparently they are transcendent but I still haven't plucked up the courage to go. If you like beef then you could stop off in Kobe and get a fantastic steak (as long as you don't mind it spoiling your opinion of English steaks) for about £60. I could go on about this sort of stuff for hours - if you are interested in food then let me know where you decide to visit and I can give you some recommendations.
anyway, have fun!
Deffo next on my list, sounds fantastic.
As an aside to all of this, I've just posted the first set of our photos from last year up in the P&V forum:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
...might help the OP a little?!?
(I'll post the second half up over the next day or so...)
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
...might help the OP a little?!?
(I'll post the second half up over the next day or so...)
I'm very jealous of your trip! I went with my family 8 years ago but was too young to really appreciate it and at the time I didn't like the food.
Now it would be my first choice of country to visit if I could afford the expensive prices. I'm looking forward to one day skiing there, apparently the powder is incredible!
Now it would be my first choice of country to visit if I could afford the expensive prices. I'm looking forward to one day skiing there, apparently the powder is incredible!
10JH said:
Now it would be my first choice of country to visit if I could afford the expensive prices. I'm looking forward to one day skiing there, apparently the powder is incredible!
im in Barcelona at the moment, and I promise you that this city is more expensive than Japan (as is the rest of western europe)
Both nice Ronan. Shame you've 'chopped' the l-h kid off in the bottom one. Where's the top photo, BTW?
Oh, and a subtle plug...part-2 of our holiday here:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Oh, and a subtle plug...part-2 of our holiday here:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
havoc said:
Both nice Ronan. Shame you've 'chopped' the l-h kid off in the bottom one. Where's the top photo, BTW?
Oh, and a subtle plug...part-2 of our holiday here:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Its the Pelican shrine in Kyoto as I recall..It is a complete illusion, as it is perfectly scaled down in fact to about 3/4 of what it appears....Oh, and a subtle plug...part-2 of our holiday here:-
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
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