Any ww2 experts on here? Or good German readers

[j4ckos mate]

My dad passed away recently (81) and some old docs have come to light
One of which is the below.
I'd like to be able to read the town name and his name
It seems to be a training record of some sort

[andymc]

http://www.soldbuchweb.com/

[krallicious]

I can have a look after the new year if you are not in a rush as I have a lot of work to do before the 31st.

[RobinBanks]

I'm happy to have a look. All I can tell you from that picture is that it's a German military ID (Soldbuch).

[j4ckos mate]

Ww2 is fascinating, And so is ph!
The previous link seems to cover the document but
I'di like to be able to see if I can trace his family on FB.
But it's not too clear.
It's saying are too big now let me se what I can do

[j4ckos mate]

[Mobile Chicane]

Is it his?

If there's any doubt whether or not he was in the German Army, soldiers had their blood group tattooed on the inside of their right upper arm.

Many cut/burned them off (my father did) after surrender to the Allies.

[j4ckos mate]

[j4ckos mate]

[j4ckos mate]

Hi no it's not dad. He was om the allies side but he was too young
Anyway.
Not too young to get evacuated and bombed though They lived in hulme manchester
And a returning soldier gave it to him when he was nine or ten
He paniced and took the picture out of it not
Lomg after but I'd
Like to be able to send those pics to someones grandson at least. But I can't make
The town out or name

[cloggy]

Mobile Chicane said:

Is it his?

If there's any doubt whether or not he was in the German Army, soldiers had their blood group tattooed on the inside of their right upper arm.

Many cut/burned them off (my father did) after surrender to the Allies.

Only the SS had their blood group tattooed on the inside of their right upper arm.
No other German soldiers like the Wehrmacht had.

[RobinBanks]

Do you want the description of the holder?
He was 170cm tall, born on the 28th of June 1912. I can't make out what his job was - can you get a clearer picture of the top right corner of the page?
Oval face, and grey-brown eyes, I think it says. Blonde hair.

Is the name Josef Grafs? I'm bad with reading handwriting at the best of times.

[cloggy]

It looks like his 'Wehrnumwer' or 'Service number' is:

Gelsenkirchen (a place name) 12/5/13/8

This could be a source for a search.

[Benni]

Name is Josef Glatz, Born in Bottrop (Ruhrgebiet)28.Juni 1912, single at time of ID issue.

No profession listed. AFAIK normal soldiers did not have bloodgroup tattoos, SS only.

[krallicious]

All of the info is correct and the hair colour is dark blonde.

His job and birthplace are hard to make out though. Quite odd how written German has changed in the past 100 years or so.

[Mobile Chicane]

cloggy said:

Mobile Chicane said:

Is it his?

If there's any doubt whether or not he was in the German Army, soldiers had their blood group tattooed on the inside of their right upper arm.

Many cut/burned them off (my father did) after surrender to the Allies.

Only the SS had their blood group tattooed on the inside of their right upper arm.
No other German soldiers like the Wehrmacht had.

Thanks - I had wondered if that might have been the case.

[cloggy]

Mobile Chicane said:

cloggy said:

Mobile Chicane said:

Is it his?

If there's any doubt whether or not he was in the German Army, soldiers had their blood group tattooed on the inside of their right upper arm.

Many cut/burned them off (my father did) after surrender to the Allies.

Only the SS had their blood group tattooed on the inside of their right upper arm.
No other German soldiers like the Wehrmacht had.

Thanks - I had wondered if that might have been the case.

Don't get me wrong, I am not defending the SS here but they had many fighting battalions on the front line like other Wehrmacht units and were very brave in battle.
Just that many war atrocities where executed by the SS in particular but not all.

The reason they tried to remove their tattoos was it was too easy for the allies to identify them.

[chalda]

He was from Bottrop, so he was a miner of course (profession: "Bergmann").

Please contact http://www.historische-bottrop.de/ also.

[krallicious]

chalda said:

He was from Bottrop, so he was a miner of course (profession: "Bergmann").

Please contact http://www.historische-bottrop.de/ also.

Bloody stylised 'B's.........

[cloggy]

I find this very interesting maybe we should help j4ckos mate to unravel this mystery.
It may also be nice to bring this German soldier 'alive' again.