Kids, nappies, toilets, nurseries.
Discussion
Not very PH I know, but a conversation with my wife has be concerned.
Our boy turned three in June. Next week he starts pre-school. He has spent the last few months potty training and apart from the odd accident can now use the toilet or potty on his own. I think we started this a bit late but he's got the hang of it quickly. He's three so I still need to go in and clean him up, wipe, make sure he washes his hands etc etc. I'm pretty sure that's normal for his age.
So it turns out, that in pre-school the teachers don't go to the loo with the kids. They won't help them, they won't wipe for them, and if they flat out s
t themselves they just leave it. I was told this as a statement of fact although I find it fairly hard to believe and if it is the case I think it's pretty poor.
I'm not one for "there's a peado in every school" type theory that seems to have gripped the nation. I don't think teachers should have to worry about helping a child use the loo. Or maybe they just don't want to? Maybe this isn't new, I can't remember really. I don't think I started school until I was four or five. Also it seems that he will be one of the youngest in the class. At this age 6-7 months is huge. I can't believe anyone would agree to take care of a 3yr old and not be prepared to at least assist in using the toilet.
Maybe I'm being ridiculous. Or maybe my wife's wrong. I presume there's parents on here with similar aged children. Have I got anything to be concerned about or just being over protective.
Our boy turned three in June. Next week he starts pre-school. He has spent the last few months potty training and apart from the odd accident can now use the toilet or potty on his own. I think we started this a bit late but he's got the hang of it quickly. He's three so I still need to go in and clean him up, wipe, make sure he washes his hands etc etc. I'm pretty sure that's normal for his age.
So it turns out, that in pre-school the teachers don't go to the loo with the kids. They won't help them, they won't wipe for them, and if they flat out s
t themselves they just leave it. I was told this as a statement of fact although I find it fairly hard to believe and if it is the case I think it's pretty poor. I'm not one for "there's a peado in every school" type theory that seems to have gripped the nation. I don't think teachers should have to worry about helping a child use the loo. Or maybe they just don't want to? Maybe this isn't new, I can't remember really. I don't think I started school until I was four or five. Also it seems that he will be one of the youngest in the class. At this age 6-7 months is huge. I can't believe anyone would agree to take care of a 3yr old and not be prepared to at least assist in using the toilet.
Maybe I'm being ridiculous. Or maybe my wife's wrong. I presume there's parents on here with similar aged children. Have I got anything to be concerned about or just being over protective.
gowmonster said:
sounds like you have a st nursery, mine has just turned 3 and is a bit late and is just starting toilet training now and isn't the last in his room to start.
our nursery has babies from 6 months so it's just normal for them to take care of nappies.
Yes sorry, I said nursery in the title but it's "pre-school" that he's starting next week. I'm not sure why that makes a difference but the wife seems to think it does. t nursery, mine has just turned 3 and is a bit late and is just starting toilet training now and isn't the last in his room to start.our nursery has babies from 6 months so it's just normal for them to take care of nappies.
Agreed with above -you've picked an ultra-pc nursery which has abandoned common sense in favour of nonsensical protocol.
My Mrs is a teaching assistant at a nursery and regularly had to help kids who'd had "little accidents" - even the little beggars that used to do it for attention - I kid you not.
My Mrs is a teaching assistant at a nursery and regularly had to help kids who'd had "little accidents" - even the little beggars that used to do it for attention - I kid you not.
rufusgti said:
Yes sorry, I said nursery in the title but it's "pre-school" that he's starting next week. I'm not sure why that makes a difference but the wife seems to think it does.
It doesn't. My son went to "nursery" and then "pre-school" - in the same building and with the same group of staff. The nursery bit will normally be called "Butterflies" or something like that. It's normally called "pre-school" because it's the year before proper school. There's no difference in what they do though & they should certainly be helping out with toilet training where needed.The place my son went asked us to send in a spare change of clothes at the start of term just in case of accidents - they're 3 years old & it occasionally happens.
My best mate is the head of a primary school and, believe it or not, they get kids starting at five who are still in nappies. If one of them happens to fill their nappy, then the school will phone their parents, but if they're too busy watching daytime TV, it then falls to the school to do it. It's their duty of care apparently. 
C.A.R. said:
Agreed with above -you've picked an ultra-pc nursery which has abandoned common sense in favour of nonsensical protocol.
My Mrs is a teaching assistant at a nursery and regularly had to help kids who'd had "little accidents" - even the little beggars that used to do it for attention - I kid you not.
Works a treat doing it at work...My Mrs is a teaching assistant at a nursery and regularly had to help kids who'd had "little accidents" - even the little beggars that used to do it for attention - I kid you not.
NSFW https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i53okqZl-34&in...
C.A.R. said:
Agreed with above -you've picked an ultra-pc
Its not ultra-pc its just a st nursery (or pre-school if you want to call it that, not that it should make any difference in standard of basic care). Kids of that age need help with cleaning up, and will do for a year or so yet at least. If they are going to take the responsibility for the children then they have to do all that is required for basic sanitary care, including wiping and being involved in teaching the child how to wipe themselves. If they won't do this they are failing in a basic duty of care certainly at a moral level and possibly at a legal level.
As above, look for a different pre-school as this isn't right. Our boy took his time with potty training and hadn't really fully mastered things until well over 3 years of age. The staff at nursery were always on hand to help him if he had a little accident and he always had a change of clothes in his bag. As others have said this was a nursery he'd be attending since age 1, pre-school was the bit he went into for his last year before school (starts this September!). It may be different for places that are purely providing a pre-school provision using the 15 hours of free childcare you get from HM Government but even so at 3 years old you can't expect a kid to be completely self sufficient on the toilet front.
There was another thread just like this a few weeks ago and the teachers / assistants at that school didn't help the kids.
Obviously kids vary, but they can go to "proper" (not nursery or pre-school) so young now - our granddaughter starts proper school next week and her 4th birthday was last week. She's not bad at the toilet stuff but wouldn't trust her to clean herself up and wash her hands properly unsupervised.
AIUI it at nursery for the last year they've been left to their own devices unless they ask for help - and no way she would, she thinks she can do everything.
Obviously kids vary, but they can go to "proper" (not nursery or pre-school) so young now - our granddaughter starts proper school next week and her 4th birthday was last week. She's not bad at the toilet stuff but wouldn't trust her to clean herself up and wash her hands properly unsupervised.
AIUI it at nursery for the last year they've been left to their own devices unless they ask for help - and no way she would, she thinks she can do everything.
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