Hypothetical Discussion REdrugs
Discussion
Had a discussion today about two particular drugs.
I you had to take one of the two, which one and why?
LSD or Cocaine.
My choice if i had to would be LSD.
Based purely on my limited knowledge of drugs. But since they do two different things, you cant really compare them, but what i think is:
Cocaine - addictive, ruins your nose, overdose possibility, and can ruin your life, cut with who knows what
LSD - non addictive, cant overdose, might be fake LSD, possibility of mental problems
So in my opinion, looking at that, LSD seems to be the safer one.
Everyone else disagreed.
Maybe theres a massive negative to LSD im not aware of?
Who would you say is 'right'?
I you had to take one of the two, which one and why?
LSD or Cocaine.
My choice if i had to would be LSD.
Based purely on my limited knowledge of drugs. But since they do two different things, you cant really compare them, but what i think is:
Cocaine - addictive, ruins your nose, overdose possibility, and can ruin your life, cut with who knows what
LSD - non addictive, cant overdose, might be fake LSD, possibility of mental problems
So in my opinion, looking at that, LSD seems to be the safer one.
Everyone else disagreed.
Maybe theres a massive negative to LSD im not aware of?
Who would you say is 'right'?
Did a lsd sugar cube over 10 years ago now and vowed never to take hallucinogenic's ever again. Over 12hrs I was utterly b
ksed and my brain felt dead for the next day or so.
Coke the effects wear off in hour or so as long as you don't do too much.
In my youth I did lots of pills, coke and weed but I don't handle the hallucogens well at all. I had friends who were the complete opposite.
ksed and my brain felt dead for the next day or so.Coke the effects wear off in hour or so as long as you don't do too much.
In my youth I did lots of pills, coke and weed but I don't handle the hallucogens well at all. I had friends who were the complete opposite.
Chalk and cheese. Can't really compare the two.
LSD - no physical side effects to speak of. However the effects on your mental health, hmmm, some people cope better than others shall we say. Take a tab of acid and you are in an enhanced state of mind for a good 6-12 hours depending how strong it is. If you've bought some duff stuff then you're just not going to get high, there isn't really any substitute or anything it can be cut with. It's often good fun for the first few hours, you laugh a lot, have an enhanced appreciation of sound (music), light and colours, hallucinate a little or a lot though this is often quite subtle - try watching a TV screen tuned to an analogue channel with no reception, you start seeing stuff in the fuzz. However it can bring on paranoia and fear, this is when things go bad because once you are tripping there is no quick way to come down. After many hours even if you've had a good trip you just want to go to bed but your mind won't shut down and let you. Ok if you have bugger all to do the next day (students) and can sleep then but messing around with your sleep patterns is not so good.
Coke - physical side effects, certainly long term, not so good and well documented. Purity of the stuff is often questionable, can be cut with all sorts of nastiness or even not be coke at all as speed gives a similar but not quite the same buzz. Can become addictive and can also screw you mentally leading to panic attacks etc. The effects are much shorter term, snorting a line wears off after an hour or two but it does accumulate. Polar opposite of LSD, makes you very confident, able to talk for England (we've all had nights out with these types), drink copiously, and often act like a bit of a. No real psychedelic effect, hallucinations, etc. unless you taking tonnes of the stuff. Is fatal in overdose though snorting it does make it self limiting to a degree.
I've done both, had good time and not so good times, and now would touch neither although from a curiosity point of view would tend towards LSD as I used to enjoy it. Just not sure I'd cope mentally now.
LSD - no physical side effects to speak of. However the effects on your mental health, hmmm, some people cope better than others shall we say. Take a tab of acid and you are in an enhanced state of mind for a good 6-12 hours depending how strong it is. If you've bought some duff stuff then you're just not going to get high, there isn't really any substitute or anything it can be cut with. It's often good fun for the first few hours, you laugh a lot, have an enhanced appreciation of sound (music), light and colours, hallucinate a little or a lot though this is often quite subtle - try watching a TV screen tuned to an analogue channel with no reception, you start seeing stuff in the fuzz. However it can bring on paranoia and fear, this is when things go bad because once you are tripping there is no quick way to come down. After many hours even if you've had a good trip you just want to go to bed but your mind won't shut down and let you. Ok if you have bugger all to do the next day (students) and can sleep then but messing around with your sleep patterns is not so good.
Coke - physical side effects, certainly long term, not so good and well documented. Purity of the stuff is often questionable, can be cut with all sorts of nastiness or even not be coke at all as speed gives a similar but not quite the same buzz. Can become addictive and can also screw you mentally leading to panic attacks etc. The effects are much shorter term, snorting a line wears off after an hour or two but it does accumulate. Polar opposite of LSD, makes you very confident, able to talk for England (we've all had nights out with these types), drink copiously, and often act like a bit of a
. No real psychedelic effect, hallucinations, etc. unless you taking tonnes of the stuff. Is fatal in overdose though snorting it does make it self limiting to a degree. I've done both, had good time and not so good times, and now would touch neither although from a curiosity point of view would tend towards LSD as I used to enjoy it. Just not sure I'd cope mentally now.
What just take once?
Have a night on the coke, it's starts of great fun, you will be quietly confident, suave without swagger, you will only tell the funniest jokes, the smoothest pick-up lines, you'll flirt with barmaids and charm doormen, lights will seem brighter, booze tastes better, everyone is amazing, you are amazing - it's best thing ever.
This will last 3-5 hours, you should call it a night at this point and head home for a bit of a relax, drink some water, slowly chill out, calm down a look forward to next weekend, but you probably wont.
Sevaral hours will pass when you'll be snorting increasing amounts to get less high, for less time, before it stops working however much to shove up. Usually about this time Bars are closed and only the heavy button music clubs are still going - your mind might take you to some pretty 'dark' places mentally and literally, 6am hanging around some wheelie bins aggressively 'borrowing' fags from rough looking people or trying to do a line in the toilets of McD's that will be used by kids a few hours later isn't unusual (ever wondered why there are no flat surfaces in toilets anymore?) and probably the best case scenario at this point.
Finally you'll crash home and attempting to masturbate yourself into a coma just switch your brain off.
The next day will be a pretty rough ride, the chemical in coke that releases all the 'stuff' that makes you sociable and confident has now used all the reserves in your body and you'll swing the other way BIG TIME so you'll want to turn off anything that someone might try to use to communicate with you, phones, e-mail, door bells and seal yourself into a darkened room to watch TV and eat crap - you'll want to evict anyone who got dragged along for the ride ASAP, a Coke come-down is NOT a team sport, kick them out.
This is one of the few times that a 9th floor flat will seem more comfortable than a ground floor flat as you'll feel detached from everyone you know who might try to communicate with you, worst still anyone you might have been out with the night before because they experienced every part of your character you now despise.
Much like a very bad drinker might have a Bloody Mary in the morning to 'cure' a hangover, any leftovers can and should be used as a mental parachute - you're still going down, but you may not explode when you reach the bottom.
Expect to spend the day cringing at your antics the night before - that charming suave chap you thought you were was in actual fact a total dhead in retrospect, you might have wondered why that doorman you were having a laugh with last night told you to "get in before I change my mind" now you think about it, he didn't look like he was joking did he? and that cute girl serving drinks didn't seem so keen on you when she thrust your change at you. Your memories will be as skewed to the negative as they were skewed to the positive as they seemed at the time.
About 12 hours after you get in you might risk looking in the mirror, this is to be AVOIDED, especially if you find it flat on the floor next to your bed and suspiciously dusty, you image looking back to you will be straight out of the walking dead and there will still be an amount of self loathing going on. This is the first time you may consider venturing out the door, make it brief, make it local, make it on foot, make in somewhere were you will have to make only the bare minimum of contact with others - a local shop to buy more junk food when the shopkeeper doesn't know your name and more so isn't the cheery social type.
Sleep still isn't easy that evening, but not impossible. The following day the physical damage is largely healed, for me the amount of alcohol and cigarettes I could consume on Coke was roughly double what I could take without so I'd be battling a huge hangover and cough at the same time, it's now time to turn the mobile back on - you sort of expect a barrage of abuse from people you insulted the night before last, but thankfully for me, the people who didn't take coke would head home before things took a turn for the dark and the other coke takers were just as bad as me, so it would usually be pretty mundane stuff - also whilst FB was about back then, it was a sort of once a week sat in front of a PC thing, smart phones weren't really a thing if you didn't count Nokia N95 and such, I could only imagine the sort of crap I'd post if it wasn't and my Mum uses FB.
As for addiction, IME people who get addicted do so because they're very depressed day-to-day and those feelings go away when they're high - I was depressed a lot back then, but it used to take coke maybe 5-6 times a year, but it always went the same way, happy then ahole then self-destructive, wk-coma, hermit with borderline paranoid schizophrenia.
I've never tried LSD, I was warned off it by some friends who had a very bad time on it, and stayed very paranoid even after it wore off - I had a friend who took a bad turn at Glastonbury, ran away from us all because we were trying to poison him, got picked up by some security guards, fought his way from them (possibly the only person to ever fight security to LEAVE Glastonbury) spent a night hiding in a field before calling him Mum to pick him up, he was in his 20s. When we got back 5 days later we went to see him, even though the drugs were out of his system as soon as he sore us he bolted and we had to talk him down for a few hours before he trusted us again.
Still, everything in moderation eh?!
Have a night on the coke, it's starts of great fun, you will be quietly confident, suave without swagger, you will only tell the funniest jokes, the smoothest pick-up lines, you'll flirt with barmaids and charm doormen, lights will seem brighter, booze tastes better, everyone is amazing, you are amazing - it's best thing ever.
This will last 3-5 hours, you should call it a night at this point and head home for a bit of a relax, drink some water, slowly chill out, calm down a look forward to next weekend, but you probably wont.
Sevaral hours will pass when you'll be snorting increasing amounts to get less high, for less time, before it stops working however much to shove up. Usually about this time Bars are closed and only the heavy button music clubs are still going - your mind might take you to some pretty 'dark' places mentally and literally, 6am hanging around some wheelie bins aggressively 'borrowing' fags from rough looking people or trying to do a line in the toilets of McD's that will be used by kids a few hours later isn't unusual (ever wondered why there are no flat surfaces in toilets anymore?) and probably the best case scenario at this point.
Finally you'll crash home and attempting to masturbate yourself into a coma just switch your brain off.
The next day will be a pretty rough ride, the chemical in coke that releases all the 'stuff' that makes you sociable and confident has now used all the reserves in your body and you'll swing the other way BIG TIME so you'll want to turn off anything that someone might try to use to communicate with you, phones, e-mail, door bells and seal yourself into a darkened room to watch TV and eat crap - you'll want to evict anyone who got dragged along for the ride ASAP, a Coke come-down is NOT a team sport, kick them out.
This is one of the few times that a 9th floor flat will seem more comfortable than a ground floor flat as you'll feel detached from everyone you know who might try to communicate with you, worst still anyone you might have been out with the night before because they experienced every part of your character you now despise.
Much like a very bad drinker might have a Bloody Mary in the morning to 'cure' a hangover, any leftovers can and should be used as a mental parachute - you're still going down, but you may not explode when you reach the bottom.
Expect to spend the day cringing at your antics the night before - that charming suave chap you thought you were was in actual fact a total d
head in retrospect, you might have wondered why that doorman you were having a laugh with last night told you to "get in before I change my mind" now you think about it, he didn't look like he was joking did he? and that cute girl serving drinks didn't seem so keen on you when she thrust your change at you. Your memories will be as skewed to the negative as they were skewed to the positive as they seemed at the time. About 12 hours after you get in you might risk looking in the mirror, this is to be AVOIDED, especially if you find it flat on the floor next to your bed and suspiciously dusty, you image looking back to you will be straight out of the walking dead and there will still be an amount of self loathing going on. This is the first time you may consider venturing out the door, make it brief, make it local, make it on foot, make in somewhere were you will have to make only the bare minimum of contact with others - a local shop to buy more junk food when the shopkeeper doesn't know your name and more so isn't the cheery social type.
Sleep still isn't easy that evening, but not impossible. The following day the physical damage is largely healed, for me the amount of alcohol and cigarettes I could consume on Coke was roughly double what I could take without so I'd be battling a huge hangover and cough at the same time, it's now time to turn the mobile back on - you sort of expect a barrage of abuse from people you insulted the night before last, but thankfully for me, the people who didn't take coke would head home before things took a turn for the dark and the other coke takers were just as bad as me, so it would usually be pretty mundane stuff - also whilst FB was about back then, it was a sort of once a week sat in front of a PC thing, smart phones weren't really a thing if you didn't count Nokia N95 and such, I could only imagine the sort of crap I'd post if it wasn't and my Mum uses FB.
As for addiction, IME people who get addicted do so because they're very depressed day-to-day and those feelings go away when they're high - I was depressed a lot back then, but it used to take coke maybe 5-6 times a year, but it always went the same way, happy then a
hole then self-destructive, wk-coma, hermit with borderline paranoid schizophrenia.I've never tried LSD, I was warned off it by some friends who had a very bad time on it, and stayed very paranoid even after it wore off - I had a friend who took a bad turn at Glastonbury, ran away from us all because we were trying to poison him, got picked up by some security guards, fought his way from them (possibly the only person to ever fight security to LEAVE Glastonbury) spent a night hiding in a field before calling him Mum to pick him up, he was in his 20s. When we got back 5 days later we went to see him, even though the drugs were out of his system as soon as he sore us he bolted and we had to talk him down for a few hours before he trusted us again.
Still, everything in moderation eh?!
This ^^^^^^^^^^ with brass handles on and sparkly bits. I had a neighbour years ago, who was a very successful trader. We used to have some great laughs together (without going into detail) but it was clear that he was enjoying Bolivias national product far too much, washed down with far too much Cristal!
In a period of eighteen months he went from living in a fabulous Queen Anne rectory, to being divorced, living in a council flat and ultimately going to prison for reasons I won't go into here for the sake of common decency. This stellar downfall from multi millionaire to hopeless loser was without doubt, precipitated by a chronic overindulgence in Percy and booze. It prevented him from making good calls, and the more he fked up, the more he shovelled up his nose to compensate and remain "invincible". His wife didn't help of course a she had all the usual expectations which simply added to the pressure and ultimately the downward spiral.
If used purely for recreation and in moderation, drugs can be great, but once they become your crutch and you need them to function as my old pal did, it's a very steep,very slippery slope that ends in a train wreck.
In a period of eighteen months he went from living in a fabulous Queen Anne rectory, to being divorced, living in a council flat and ultimately going to prison for reasons I won't go into here for the sake of common decency. This stellar downfall from multi millionaire to hopeless loser was without doubt, precipitated by a chronic overindulgence in Percy and booze. It prevented him from making good calls, and the more he f
ked up, the more he shovelled up his nose to compensate and remain "invincible". His wife didn't help of course a she had all the usual expectations which simply added to the pressure and ultimately the downward spiral.If used purely for recreation and in moderation, drugs can be great, but once they become your crutch and you need them to function as my old pal did, it's a very steep,very slippery slope that ends in a train wreck.
P-Jay said:
What just take once?
Have a night on the coke, it's starts of great fun, you will be quietly confident, suave without swagger, you will only tell the funniest jokes, the smoothest pick-up lines, you'll flirt with barmaids and charm doormen, lights will seem brighter, booze tastes better, everyone is amazing, you are amazing - it's best thing ever.
This will last 3-5 hours, you should call it a night at this point and head home for a bit of a relax, drink some water, slowly chill out, calm down a look forward to next weekend, but you probably wont.
Sevaral hours will pass when you'll be snorting increasing amounts to get less high, for less time, before it stops working however much to shove up. Usually about this time Bars are closed and only the heavy button music clubs are still going - your mind might take you to some pretty 'dark' places mentally and literally, 6am hanging around some wheelie bins aggressively 'borrowing' fags from rough looking people or trying to do a line in the toilets of McD's that will be used by kids a few hours later isn't unusual (ever wondered why there are no flat surfaces in toilets anymore?) and probably the best case scenario at this point.
Finally you'll crash home and attempting to masturbate yourself into a coma just switch your brain off.
The next day will be a pretty rough ride, the chemical in coke that releases all the 'stuff' that makes you sociable and confident has now used all the reserves in your body and you'll swing the other way BIG TIME so you'll want to turn off anything that someone might try to use to communicate with you, phones, e-mail, door bells and seal yourself into a darkened room to watch TV and eat crap - you'll want to evict anyone who got dragged along for the ride ASAP, a Coke come-down is NOT a team sport, kick them out.
This is one of the few times that a 9th floor flat will seem more comfortable than a ground floor flat as you'll feel detached from everyone you know who might try to communicate with you, worst still anyone you might have been out with the night before because they experienced every part of your character you now despise.
Much like a very bad drinker might have a Bloody Mary in the morning to 'cure' a hangover, any leftovers can and should be used as a mental parachute - you're still going down, but you may not explode when you reach the bottom.
Expect to spend the day cringing at your antics the night before - that charming suave chap you thought you were was in actual fact a total dhead in retrospect, you might have wondered why that doorman you were having a laugh with last night told you to "get in before I change my mind" now you think about it, he didn't look like he was joking did he? and that cute girl serving drinks didn't seem so keen on you when she thrust your change at you. Your memories will be as skewed to the negative as they were skewed to the positive as they seemed at the time.
About 12 hours after you get in you might risk looking in the mirror, this is to be AVOIDED, especially if you find it flat on the floor next to your bed and suspiciously dusty, you image looking back to you will be straight out of the walking dead and there will still be an amount of self loathing going on. This is the first time you may consider venturing out the door, make it brief, make it local, make it on foot, make in somewhere were you will have to make only the bare minimum of contact with others - a local shop to buy more junk food when the shopkeeper doesn't know your name and more so isn't the cheery social type.
Sleep still isn't easy that evening, but not impossible. The following day the physical damage is largely healed, for me the amount of alcohol and cigarettes I could consume on Coke was roughly double what I could take without so I'd be battling a huge hangover and cough at the same time, it's now time to turn the mobile back on - you sort of expect a barrage of abuse from people you insulted the night before last, but thankfully for me, the people who didn't take coke would head home before things took a turn for the dark and the other coke takers were just as bad as me, so it would usually be pretty mundane stuff - also whilst FB was about back then, it was a sort of once a week sat in front of a PC thing, smart phones weren't really a thing if you didn't count Nokia N95 and such, I could only imagine the sort of crap I'd post if it wasn't and my Mum uses FB.
As for addiction, IME people who get addicted do so because they're very depressed day-to-day and those feelings go away when they're high - I was depressed a lot back then, but it used to take coke maybe 5-6 times a year, but it always went the same way, happy then ahole then self-destructive, wk-coma, hermit with borderline paranoid schizophrenia.
I've never tried LSD, I was warned off it by some friends who had a very bad time on it, and stayed very paranoid even after it wore off - I had a friend who took a bad turn at Glastonbury, ran away from us all because we were trying to poison him, got picked up by some security guards, fought his way from them (possibly the only person to ever fight security to LEAVE Glastonbury) spent a night hiding in a field before calling him Mum to pick him up, he was in his 20s. When we got back 5 days later we went to see him, even though the drugs were out of his system as soon as he sore us he bolted and we had to talk him down for a few hours before he trusted us again.
Still, everything in moderation eh?!
That write up is so funny but bang on the money and brings back a hell of a lot of memories. Years ago coke actually got you high, the last few times I bothered God knows what it was but it sure as hell wasn't what I'd had all that time ago. I've had "legal coke" and that was brutal, horrible to snort and off your box for hours and hours and a terrble come down not much fun. As said earlier LSD is great up to a point but after 10 hours you are praying for it to stop Have a night on the coke, it's starts of great fun, you will be quietly confident, suave without swagger, you will only tell the funniest jokes, the smoothest pick-up lines, you'll flirt with barmaids and charm doormen, lights will seem brighter, booze tastes better, everyone is amazing, you are amazing - it's best thing ever.
This will last 3-5 hours, you should call it a night at this point and head home for a bit of a relax, drink some water, slowly chill out, calm down a look forward to next weekend, but you probably wont.
Sevaral hours will pass when you'll be snorting increasing amounts to get less high, for less time, before it stops working however much to shove up. Usually about this time Bars are closed and only the heavy button music clubs are still going - your mind might take you to some pretty 'dark' places mentally and literally, 6am hanging around some wheelie bins aggressively 'borrowing' fags from rough looking people or trying to do a line in the toilets of McD's that will be used by kids a few hours later isn't unusual (ever wondered why there are no flat surfaces in toilets anymore?) and probably the best case scenario at this point.
Finally you'll crash home and attempting to masturbate yourself into a coma just switch your brain off.
The next day will be a pretty rough ride, the chemical in coke that releases all the 'stuff' that makes you sociable and confident has now used all the reserves in your body and you'll swing the other way BIG TIME so you'll want to turn off anything that someone might try to use to communicate with you, phones, e-mail, door bells and seal yourself into a darkened room to watch TV and eat crap - you'll want to evict anyone who got dragged along for the ride ASAP, a Coke come-down is NOT a team sport, kick them out.
This is one of the few times that a 9th floor flat will seem more comfortable than a ground floor flat as you'll feel detached from everyone you know who might try to communicate with you, worst still anyone you might have been out with the night before because they experienced every part of your character you now despise.
Much like a very bad drinker might have a Bloody Mary in the morning to 'cure' a hangover, any leftovers can and should be used as a mental parachute - you're still going down, but you may not explode when you reach the bottom.
Expect to spend the day cringing at your antics the night before - that charming suave chap you thought you were was in actual fact a total d
head in retrospect, you might have wondered why that doorman you were having a laugh with last night told you to "get in before I change my mind" now you think about it, he didn't look like he was joking did he? and that cute girl serving drinks didn't seem so keen on you when she thrust your change at you. Your memories will be as skewed to the negative as they were skewed to the positive as they seemed at the time. About 12 hours after you get in you might risk looking in the mirror, this is to be AVOIDED, especially if you find it flat on the floor next to your bed and suspiciously dusty, you image looking back to you will be straight out of the walking dead and there will still be an amount of self loathing going on. This is the first time you may consider venturing out the door, make it brief, make it local, make it on foot, make in somewhere were you will have to make only the bare minimum of contact with others - a local shop to buy more junk food when the shopkeeper doesn't know your name and more so isn't the cheery social type.
Sleep still isn't easy that evening, but not impossible. The following day the physical damage is largely healed, for me the amount of alcohol and cigarettes I could consume on Coke was roughly double what I could take without so I'd be battling a huge hangover and cough at the same time, it's now time to turn the mobile back on - you sort of expect a barrage of abuse from people you insulted the night before last, but thankfully for me, the people who didn't take coke would head home before things took a turn for the dark and the other coke takers were just as bad as me, so it would usually be pretty mundane stuff - also whilst FB was about back then, it was a sort of once a week sat in front of a PC thing, smart phones weren't really a thing if you didn't count Nokia N95 and such, I could only imagine the sort of crap I'd post if it wasn't and my Mum uses FB.
As for addiction, IME people who get addicted do so because they're very depressed day-to-day and those feelings go away when they're high - I was depressed a lot back then, but it used to take coke maybe 5-6 times a year, but it always went the same way, happy then a
hole then self-destructive, wk-coma, hermit with borderline paranoid schizophrenia.I've never tried LSD, I was warned off it by some friends who had a very bad time on it, and stayed very paranoid even after it wore off - I had a friend who took a bad turn at Glastonbury, ran away from us all because we were trying to poison him, got picked up by some security guards, fought his way from them (possibly the only person to ever fight security to LEAVE Glastonbury) spent a night hiding in a field before calling him Mum to pick him up, he was in his 20s. When we got back 5 days later we went to see him, even though the drugs were out of his system as soon as he sore us he bolted and we had to talk him down for a few hours before he trusted us again.
Still, everything in moderation eh?!
I used to take ecstasy most weekends when I was 18-19 or so. It seems to me it that compared to coke it was a way better high, way less problematic the next day, far cheaper, and far less likely to cause issues like people getting in fights etc. I don't understand why coke become so popular compared to pills.
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