When is it acceptable to grass?
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These comments from another dash cam thread started me thinking. (Posts edited for relevance.)
But if you behave where's the problem?When the law is broken and we've been in a position to gather evidence against the perpetrator, when is it acceptable to dob them in?
Evidence of a murder; evasion of taxes; burglary; benefit cheats; jumping a red light; 45 in a 40 zone; littering?
What law would need to be broken for you to turn the evidence over to the police?
Mods: This is more pub banter than what the law says, so not really SP&TL.
Zombie said:
sealtt said:
I just hate the idea of people collecting evidence against other people. It's just not a nice way for society to be in my opinion.
+1...But if you behave where's the problem?
Evidence of a murder; evasion of taxes; burglary; benefit cheats; jumping a red light; 45 in a 40 zone; littering?
What law would need to be broken for you to turn the evidence over to the police?
Mods: This is more pub banter than what the law says, so not really SP&TL.
Yes, I'm told late summer to mid-autumn is the best time to plant grass seeds.
I discovered last week that the weirdo at the end of my road (next door neighbour but one) is actually a Class A drug dealer. If it wasn't for the fact that it's likely to have a negative effect on my cars / property (or I guess me!) - I'd be sitting outside his house taking polaroid snaps of anybody visiting him.
As it is, it has made me realise I really do need to get around to installing CCTV which is something I've been meaning to do for ages - and I fully intend to have one HD camera pointing at the entrance to his house, and if he is continuing to receive short visits from many people at irregular intervals I will be handing over copies of the video to the police as much as possible.
As it is, it has made me realise I really do need to get around to installing CCTV which is something I've been meaning to do for ages - and I fully intend to have one HD camera pointing at the entrance to his house, and if he is continuing to receive short visits from many people at irregular intervals I will be handing over copies of the video to the police as much as possible.
I tend to find (particularly on this site) that any highway laws seem to go out the window. I find it strange that bad/dangerous driving picked up on a dash cam shouldn't be handed to the police but a mugging caught on CCTV should be.
Some people say if the dangerous driving didn't result in an accident why bother to report but I'd use the mugging analogy again that someone might not get any money but you'd still want the little s
t caught so they arrogantly don't try it again.
Some people say if the dangerous driving didn't result in an accident why bother to report but I'd use the mugging analogy again that someone might not get any money but you'd still want the little s
t caught so they arrogantly don't try it again. Type R Tom said:
I tend to find (particularly on this site) that any highway laws seem to go out the window. I find it strange that bad/dangerous driving picked up on a dash cam shouldn't be handed to the police but a mugging caught on CCTV should be.
Some people say if the dangerous driving didn't result in an accident why bother to report but I'd use the mugging analogy again that someone might not get any money but you'd still want the little st caught so they arrogantly don't try it again.
The problem is that you get the anal adenoidal tossers who upon recording someone break highway law in the very slightest of ways, will be merrily trotting off to the local police station to hand in their evidence demanding that the person be prosecuted! Some people say if the dangerous driving didn't result in an accident why bother to report but I'd use the mugging analogy again that someone might not get any money but you'd still want the little s
t caught so they arrogantly don't try it again. It really depends where someone's moral compass is at.
Motoring offences can be down to someone making a one off mistake or mis judgement, or just being an impatient tt (using hard shoulder, going through Red Cross on motorway, just jumping a red light as it turns), to full on consistent dangerous driving. Unless it is consistent I'm not sure it is worth it.
I suppose for me it is down to the potential seriousness of the crime. For example, yesterday, one of the mum's walking back from school was asked as she passed a public toilet to go in and check there were no ladies in the toilet as a guy wanted to fill his water bottle - with a men's toilet next door, and shops a further 5 mins away it all seemed dodgy. She reported it to the police, and rightfully so.
Motoring offences can be down to someone making a one off mistake or mis judgement, or just being an impatient t
t (using hard shoulder, going through Red Cross on motorway, just jumping a red light as it turns), to full on consistent dangerous driving. Unless it is consistent I'm not sure it is worth it. I suppose for me it is down to the potential seriousness of the crime. For example, yesterday, one of the mum's walking back from school was asked as she passed a public toilet to go in and check there were no ladies in the toilet as a guy wanted to fill his water bottle - with a men's toilet next door, and shops a further 5 mins away it all seemed dodgy. She reported it to the police, and rightfully so.
RacingPete said:
It really depends where someone's moral compass is at.
Motoring offences can be down to someone making a one off mistake or mis judgement, or just being an impatient tt (using hard shoulder, going through Red Cross on motorway, just jumping a red light as it turns), to full on consistent dangerous driving. Unless it is consistent I'm not sure it is worth it.
For me some of those things are the epitome of the "me me me" culture we now live in and deserve to be punished. Everyone makes mistakes and I'm not saying every little mistake should be punished but odds on someone who undertakes traffic on the hard shoulder, as an example, has probably done it before and will probably keep doing it until they are caught. Motoring offences can be down to someone making a one off mistake or mis judgement, or just being an impatient t
t (using hard shoulder, going through Red Cross on motorway, just jumping a red light as it turns), to full on consistent dangerous driving. Unless it is consistent I'm not sure it is worth it. Also I believe red cross will become endorsable soon, it's linked to the managed motorways/hard shoulder running stuff that to work will require drivers to abide by the signs.
Pints said:
I'm spotting NIMBY and (perhaps oddly) reverse-NIMBY attitudes. Hardly surprising.
(I don't use the term negatively. It's just an observation.)
If I saw strong evidence of drug dealing somewhere else, then I'd happily inform the police. However, there is definitely an essence of NIMBY for me - I do not want the kind of people who are buying class A drugs regularly visiting close to my house. I have noticeable cars parked on my driveway, and I do not want them to attract attention to my property from those kind of people. Not to mention the fact that it's unlikely to help property prices!(I don't use the term negatively. It's just an observation.)
Pints said:
I'm spotting NIMBY and (perhaps oddly) reverse-NIMBY attitudes. Hardly surprising.
(I don't use the term negatively. It's just an observation.)
NIMBYS are the reason so many people are affected and hate many highway schemes. From speed cameras to traffic calming, they will generally start with someone somewhere complaining about traffic outside their house and will demand “something is done about it”!(I don't use the term negatively. It's just an observation.)
"Telling tales" is what it is, and it's unacceptable, and promoted by people who are utter nobodies, they have nothing in their lives and are envious of people who do so they want to do whatever they can to take it away from them.
Unfortunately the line between telling tales and reporting something worthwhile is difficult to draw.
Myself....I don't trust the police or the local authorities so I would never pass on any information about anyone. The last time I reported something to police (a vandal smashed my rear light), the police prosecuted me (for having a defective rear light). So they can go to Merry Hell.
Unfortunately the line between telling tales and reporting something worthwhile is difficult to draw.
Myself....I don't trust the police or the local authorities so I would never pass on any information about anyone. The last time I reported something to police (a vandal smashed my rear light), the police prosecuted me (for having a defective rear light). So they can go to Merry Hell.
davek_964 said:
I discovered last week that the weirdo at the end of my road (next door neighbour but one) is actually a Class A drug dealer. If it wasn't for the fact that it's likely to have a negative effect on my cars / property (or I guess me!) - I'd be sitting outside his house taking polaroid snaps of anybody visiting him.
As it is, it has made me realise I really do need to get around to installing CCTV which is something I've been meaning to do for ages - and I fully intend to have one HD camera pointing at the entrance to his house, and if he is continuing to receive short visits from many people at irregular intervals I will be handing over copies of the video to the police as much as possible.
I used to live in reasonably close proximity to a drug dealer. Strangely we never had any bother around our 'area' but the area we lived in wasn't exactly known as the nicest part of town. As it is, it has made me realise I really do need to get around to installing CCTV which is something I've been meaning to do for ages - and I fully intend to have one HD camera pointing at the entrance to his house, and if he is continuing to receive short visits from many people at irregular intervals I will be handing over copies of the video to the police as much as possible.
We always put it down to the drug dealer making sure that his clients knew not to cause trouble around his house as it would cause trouble for him.
I have a dash cam. It's only purpose is to protect me from what would otherwise be a 50/50 claim if someone drove in to me.
I wouldn't bother looking at or uploading the footage of what other people are up to if it doesn't affect me. I'm half interested in the dash cam videos of people doing daft stuff, more to watch people doing daft stuff than anything.
The guy who deliberately drove into his own accident on the dash cam thread is a good example of someone taking it too far. Dash cams are responsible for unleashing a 'it's my right of way' style of driving because people think they have 'the evidence' to back up their assertions. They're usually wrong, and half the stuff they upload is them drama hunting for something. Like accelerating towards someone on a roundabout, it's kind of like they want to get close to or actually crash.
Anyway - I probably wouldn't grass up anyone from dash cam footage, but I would use it to witness and help explain a situation to insurers if one unfolded infront of me
I wouldn't bother looking at or uploading the footage of what other people are up to if it doesn't affect me. I'm half interested in the dash cam videos of people doing daft stuff, more to watch people doing daft stuff than anything.
The guy who deliberately drove into his own accident on the dash cam thread is a good example of someone taking it too far. Dash cams are responsible for unleashing a 'it's my right of way' style of driving because people think they have 'the evidence' to back up their assertions. They're usually wrong, and half the stuff they upload is them drama hunting for something. Like accelerating towards someone on a roundabout, it's kind of like they want to get close to or actually crash.
Anyway - I probably wouldn't grass up anyone from dash cam footage, but I would use it to witness and help explain a situation to insurers if one unfolded infront of me
andy-xr said:
I have a dash cam. It's only purpose is to protect me from what would otherwise be a 50/50 claim if someone drove in to me.
I wouldn't bother looking at or uploading the footage of what other people are up to if it doesn't affect me. I'm half interested in the dash cam videos of people doing daft stuff, more to watch people doing daft stuff than anything.
This. Irritates me that some people think all dashcam owners are busybody, adenoidal, pricks who want to "grass" others up for nothing.I wouldn't bother looking at or uploading the footage of what other people are up to if it doesn't affect me. I'm half interested in the dash cam videos of people doing daft stuff, more to watch people doing daft stuff than anything.
I've had a dashcam for a year and haven't taken the memory cards out or uploaded any footage to my computer never mind Youtube. It's there for if the worst happens and nothing else.
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