I player 'loophole' to be closed..
I player 'loophole' to be closed..
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Shuvi McTupya

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24,460 posts

278 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-35708...

I am curious how they are going to extend the license fee to stop people watching I Player without a license.

Will you now have to get a license if you own any device that can connect to the Internet, and you live in the UK?




SlidingSideways

1,345 posts

263 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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I imagine it will be about as rigorously enforced as the current legislation (i.e Capita will send out a couple of strongly worded letters that will end up in the bin).
Although I imagine that it would actually be far easier to prove that a person had used iPlayer as they could just get a warrant to access a persons ISP records.

KaraK

13,868 posts

240 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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While I'm surprised it's taken them this long to address this it is going to be very difficult to police. They could get you to create an "iplayer" account I suppose where you have to enter your TV license details and then limit the number of simultaneous devices using that account to prevent widespread sharing? You could then get the other UK TV broadcasters to implement the same. Hopefully they won't get grabby and try and include Netflix etc in this as that would be harsh IMO

Bullett

11,186 posts

215 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Are they proposing this only applies to iplayer or all on-demand services? The wording is key here I feel. Also this was interesting.

"Mr Whittingdale also launched a new drive to tackle ad-blocking, saying it poses a similar threat to websites that illegal file-sharing did to music and film a decade ago."

It will kill music, like home taping did before that?
Has file sharing stopped then?



Puggit

49,829 posts

279 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Bullett said:
Are they proposing this only applies to iplayer or all on-demand services? The wording is key here I feel. Also this was interesting.

"Mr Whittingdale also launched a new drive to tackle ad-blocking, saying it poses a similar threat to websites that illegal file-sharing did to music and film a decade ago."

It will kill music, like home taping did before that?
Has file sharing stopped then?
Ad-blocking seems easy to detect. Football streaming websites are able to tell if you're using it and demand that you switch it off.

daddy cool

4,108 posts

260 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Bullett said:
Has file sharing stopped then?
Yeah, i didnt get that memo either!

PanzerCommander

5,026 posts

249 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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I can see why the BBC would want that 'loophole' closed after all you need the licence to watch the BBC programs on the TV or record them and watch them later. Though actually policing it (unless they set up an account based system mentioned above) will be nigh on impossible.

Puggit said:
Ad-blocking seems easy to detect. Football streaming websites are able to tell if you're using it and demand that you switch it off.
Unfortunately due to the nature of the adverts the advertisers have made a rod for their own back. People wouldn't need to block the adverts if they weren't so hideously irritating and intrusive. Most of them for things I wouldn't even consider buying.

CountZero23

1,288 posts

209 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Puggit said:
Ad-blocking seems easy to detect. Football streaming websites are able to tell if you're using it and demand that you switch it off.
Indeed, easy to block access to people running ad-blockers and come across a few sites which do. Fail to see what the issue is.

As for a "loophole", it's laughable. Makes it sound like the BBC were shocked and confused that non-license fee payers were accessing all this content they had put online.

The internet was created as a free and open platform by design, Tim Berners Lee never made a penny out of it. Find it half hillarious and half heart breaking to watch a bunch of dimwitted suits try to monitise and break it.

xjay1337

15,966 posts

149 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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RE Ad Blocking I think if the ads aren't overpowering and horrible then most people wouldn't mind.
When you get a full screen pop up that is hard to close then that's why I run ad blocking software. Or when browsing a website an advert hidden automatically starts playing at maximum volume... !!! NO THANKS.

The license fee is a joke
Basically the BBC saying "WE DEMAND MONEY".
Every other TV channel has to subsidise its running via programmes, advertising, etc.
They all manage.

As we are forced to pay the TV license fee there's no real difference to most of us.

WindyMills

295 posts

184 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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KaraK said:
While I'm surprised it's taken them this long to address this it is going to be very difficult to police. They could get you to create an "iplayer" account I suppose where you have to enter your TV license details and then limit the number of simultaneous devices using that account to prevent widespread sharing? You could then get the other UK TV broadcasters to implement the same. Hopefully they won't get grabby and try and include Netflix etc in this as that would be harsh IMO
Unfortunately I suspect they will; more money for them.

I haven't watched any content from any broadcaster in about 2 years, only using Netflix/Amazon etc instead. Must say, the amount of extra time I've gained is both fantastic and scary.

Without the TV news, I now form my opinions from the NPE thread however.... biglaugh

Hoofy

80,158 posts

313 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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I can't remember the last time I watched BBC or iplayer. When was that last Musketeers episode?

Celtic Dragon

3,354 posts

266 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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I thought this would happen when BBC 3 went to online only as it gave them a reason to get the Internent covered by the Wireless Transmission act if not already covered.

Personally I'd like to see the BBC go comercial, and then we would see how much its really worth.

Edited by Celtic Dragon on Thursday 3rd March 13:08

Cotty

42,269 posts

315 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Celtic Dragon said:
Personally I'd like to see the BBC go comercial, and then we would see how much its really worth.
Personally I'd like to see them go bust. Taking money from people even if you do not use their services nuts

LordLoveLength

2,353 posts

161 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Cotty said:
Personally I'd like to see them go bust. Taking money from people even if you do not use their services nuts
Apart from the fact that you probably do use their service - without realising

The current BBC charter demands that a significant %age of their revenue is spent in the tv industry externally to the BBC, with independent production houses contracted to provide programming. The same companies that then make programmes for other broadcasters whilst effectively being subsidised by the licence fee.
It guarantees a steady revenue stream within the industry in the UK meaning that it is not entirely funded by advertising / subscription.
If you do away with a fee, you end up down the road of lowest-common denominator tv.
There is no way that companies here can compete with the huge audiences and hence incomes that the US has.
We simply cannot produce the same quality with funding from our audience base alone

soad

34,736 posts

207 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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A start of the slippery slope...

Cotty

42,269 posts

315 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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LordLoveLength said:
Apart from the fact that you probably do use their service - without realising
I probably don't, unless they have changed their name to something like YouTube.

peter tdci

2,045 posts

181 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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Cotty said:
I probably don't, unless they have changed their name to something like YouTube.
Did you click the link in the OP? If so, you have used their services.

xRIEx

8,180 posts

179 months

Thursday 3rd March 2016
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CountZero23 said:
The internet was created as a free and open platform by design, Tim Berners Lee never made a penny out of it. Find it half hillarious and half heart breaking to watch a bunch of dimwitted suits try to monitise and break it.
Tim Berners-Lee didn't create the internet.

Cotty

42,269 posts

315 months

Friday 4th March 2016
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peter tdci said:
Did you click the link in the OP? If so, you have used their services.
No I didn't click the link. I never view anything BBC branded.

98elise

32,811 posts

192 months

Friday 4th March 2016
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xRIEx said:
CountZero23 said:
The internet was created as a free and open platform by design, Tim Berners Lee never made a penny out of it. Find it half hillarious and half heart breaking to watch a bunch of dimwitted suits try to monitise and break it.
Tim Berners-Lee didn't create the internet.
He didn't say he did.

Pedantry matters.