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My wife was watching "First Dates", actually I will stand up and say I do quite like it, well, compared to a lot of the stuff she watches, anyway, I digress,
There was an older lady and gent and at the end of the meal he suggested they split the bill, the lady was a bit disgusted with that, as was my wife, apparently the man should pay.
Where does that sit with equality, ok it is nice to be treated to a meal, but expecting it because "it is a mans job to pay" for a meal seems actually quite sexist and contrary to everything us chaps are told about not being misogynistic sexist pigs, seems like picking and choosing what to be equal about to me.
Whats the male equivalent of a feminist ?
There was an older lady and gent and at the end of the meal he suggested they split the bill, the lady was a bit disgusted with that, as was my wife, apparently the man should pay.
Where does that sit with equality, ok it is nice to be treated to a meal, but expecting it because "it is a mans job to pay" for a meal seems actually quite sexist and contrary to everything us chaps are told about not being misogynistic sexist pigs, seems like picking and choosing what to be equal about to me.
Whats the male equivalent of a feminist ?
Imho sexism only seems to apply men vs women and not the other way around. You only have to look at the TV prog Loose Women, say, to see them getting all hot and bothered over attractive males yet the same would be howled at if reversed.
Imho though perhaps a non issue as us males seem to just get on with it rather than analysing it to the Nth degree
TX.
Imho though perhaps a non issue as us males seem to just get on with it rather than analysing it to the Nth degree
TX.
If she was an older woman then that is an old way of looking at things - my few years of online dating meeting women mid-20's to mid-30's had all of them wanting to split bills. Generally I'd meet them for the first date in a pub and would concede to buying them the first drink, and after that they were all happy to get into 'rounds'.
Brigand said:
If she was an older woman then that is an old way of looking at things - my few years of online dating meeting women mid-20's to mid-30's had all of them wanting to split bills. Generally I'd meet them for the first date in a pub and would concede to buying them the first drink, and after that they were all happy to get into 'rounds'.
She must've been in her late sixties. But they had a similar thing a while ago with a woman in her 30's who got the hump so much about being asked to go halves (or more accurately, she handed the bloke the bill and said something along the lines of 'why should I pay it?') she walked off and left him there 
Edited by bigandclever on Tuesday 30th August 14:37
bigandclever said:
Brigand said:
If she was an older woman then that is an old way of looking at things - my few years of online dating meeting women mid-20's to mid-30's had all of them wanting to split bills. Generally I'd meet them for the first date in a pub and would concede to buying them the first drink, and after that they were all happy to get into 'rounds'.
Last night's was ...she must've been in her late sixties. But they had a similar thing a while ago with a woman in her 30's who got the hump so much about being asked to go halves (or more accurately, she handed the bloke the bill and said something along the lines of 'why should I pay it?') she walked off and left him there I had a brief relationship with a woman who was earning at least double what I was but thought it was the man's job to pay for everything and do all the travelling - no meeting half way. Gave her the short shrift. I'm all for chivalry but I'm not a mug.
Woman who want to treat men like cash dispensers, like it's the 1950s, should maybe also ponder a life of being housebound ... cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing and sprog-raising.
Woman who want to treat men like cash dispensers, like it's the 1950s, should maybe also ponder a life of being housebound ... cooking, cleaning, washing, ironing and sprog-raising.
Terminator X said:
You only have to look at the TV prog Loose Women, say, to see them getting all hot and bothered over attractive males yet the same would be howled at if reversed.
So true. I recall an advert fairly recently in which a bunch of women at a health spa (or similar) stole a bloke's clothes and towel and then sat there giggling as he shuffled past with his hands covering his gentleman sausage. Can you imagine the outcry if a bunch of men had put a woman through the same?Edited by MitchT on Tuesday 30th August 14:42
MitchT said:
Terminator X said:
You only have to look at the TV prog Loose Women, say, to see them getting all hot and bothered over attractive males yet the same would be howled at if reversed.
So true. I recall an advert fairly recently in which a bunch of women at a health spa (or similar) stole a bloke's clothes and towel and then sat there giggling as he shuffled past with his hands covering his gentleman sausage. Can you imagine the outcry if a bunch of men had put a woman through the same?Edited by MitchT on Tuesday 30th August 14:42
Imagine if that was the other way around.
J4CKO said:
Whats the male equivalent of a feminist ?
I used to think it was "feminist", in that I understood it to be about equality. Now I'm not so sure. Some of the stuff coming out of the feminist movement now, and their open hostility to any attempt to raise legitimate concerns about some specific ways that society treats men lead me to think that it's more about advocacy for women's interests than it is about equality. Then there is the mealy mouthed "trickle down equality" argument, whereby it's absolutely about equal treatment for men and women but only in those specific areas of particular interest to women. And, of course, the "yes, these is some sexism which only hurts men, and that's terrible, we'll get round to that when we have fixed every problem that afflicts women because we have it much worse" angle. MitchT said:
So true. I recall an advert fairly recently in which a bunch of women at a health spa (or similar) stole a bloke's clothes and towel and then sat there giggling as he shuffled past with his hands covering his gentleman sausage. Can you imagine the outcry if a bunch of men had put a woman through the same?
Er indoors watches Emmerdale - i caught 5 mins of it and it was two fat women in a health spa getting a foot massage. One shrieked and kicked the (male) masseur in the knackers, who doubled over in pain, looking at them wincing. The two women looked at each other, and the kicker said "well - i did tell him my feet were ticklish!" and they both erupted in laughter.As in the above case, imagine that was a bloke that had kicked a female masseur in the tuppence on a 7pm ITV show and then laughed at how funny it was.
Just Youtube 2 episodes of Piers Morgan Interviews. Firstly, Denis Waterman, talking about how he hit Rula Lenska, to a stunned, silent and shocked audience and host, followed by Denise Welsh, howling with laughter whilst talking about her violence to Tim Healy, including pushing him thru a glass door so he had to be taken to hospital for stitches, whilst Morgan and the audience join in with the merriment.
Jasandjules said:
Equality depends on who you ask. I've had women complain when I held the door open for them - I can do it myself you know. Sure you can but I do it as a matter of good manners and hold doors for men too....
"I held it open for you because I'm a gentleman. I apologise, I hadn't realised you weren't a lady."I am female and what I have noticed about first dates is:
senario 1 -
The bill comes and the guy picks up the bill and never suggests splitting it. (At least I have never seen a guy offer to split it on this program). The woman goes ahead and says thank you for his kind offer.
senario 2 -
The bill comes and the woman picks up the bill and suggests splitting it. Never offers to pay it in full. The man at this point usually argues and offers to pay in full, which sometimes the said female agrees to that, or they end up splitting it.
This angers me - why should a women never offer to pay in full?
When I have been on dates, I sometimes pay in full, sometimes he pays in full. I am not fond of splitting it, so a take it in turns attitude seems to do well.
senario 1 -
The bill comes and the guy picks up the bill and never suggests splitting it. (At least I have never seen a guy offer to split it on this program). The woman goes ahead and says thank you for his kind offer.
senario 2 -
The bill comes and the woman picks up the bill and suggests splitting it. Never offers to pay it in full. The man at this point usually argues and offers to pay in full, which sometimes the said female agrees to that, or they end up splitting it.
This angers me - why should a women never offer to pay in full?
When I have been on dates, I sometimes pay in full, sometimes he pays in full. I am not fond of splitting it, so a take it in turns attitude seems to do well.
xRIEx said:
J4CKO said:
Whats the male equivalent of a feminist ?
Meninist I'm going to have to say as little as possible or I'll go on a huge diatribe about third wave Feminism, SJWs and Collectivism/Marxism.
mangos said:
This angers me - why should a women never offer to pay in full?
When I have been on dates, I sometimes pay in full, sometimes he pays in full. I am not fond of splitting it, so a take it in turns attitude seems to do well.
Good for you, in my day your scenarios were valid too, however the brutal truth of it is a lot of girls like to freeload, some of my female friends would hit the town and their mission was to get hammered and not buy a single drink.When I have been on dates, I sometimes pay in full, sometimes he pays in full. I am not fond of splitting it, so a take it in turns attitude seems to do well.
Yes dates are different but spitting the bill should become more common as so many encounters don't get beyond the dirt date in the world of tinder (from what I witness from my younger acquaintances)
Man pays for the dinner, woman pays for the breakfast.
If you want to read some real feminism fruitloops, have a click of this. (It's just text, but the subject matter of sexual intercourse may not be suitable for work.)
If you want to read some real feminism fruitloops, have a click of this. (It's just text, but the subject matter of sexual intercourse may not be suitable for work.)
J4CKO said:
xRIEx said:
J4CKO said:
Whats the male equivalent of a feminist ?
Meninist I'm going to have to say as little as possible or I'll go on a huge diatribe about third wave Feminism, SJWs and Collectivism/Marxism.
Women like Mouton achieve because they are ambitious, dedicated and hungry for that achievement - exactly the same attributes that see men achieve. In any sporting class, there is only one world champion, usually the person who is motivated and single-minded enough to commit their entire life towards that achievement. That also goes for business, industry, politics, STEM, etc. - those that achieve are the ones who put in the work, whether male or female.
Now the demands are that women be placed in positions (the argument that only 25% of Fortune 500 company CEOs/directors are women, it must be equal for us to have equality! Bah Rah Rah!) - sure, fine, but what does that say to the women who got their by their own hard work, that other women can just be parachuted in to make up the numbers? My boss's, boss's, boss's, boss's, boss's, boss is a woman; I imagine that she didn't get to the top of the UK arm of a very large global company just because of the way she was born, I've no doubt she's put in the hours to get there.
The demands of third wave Feminism are laughably hypocritical with things like the "outdated" concepts of chivalry, yet demand that the "Patriarchy" (read: Feminist version of Illuminati conspiracy theory) make the changes for them, to make the better world for them that they demand - broadly analogous to chivalry (in terms treating women as a protected class).
One recent-ish thing that just made me give up on any interest in listening with an understanding ear was college/university entrants: a few years ago it was, "there aren't enough women going to college/university! We need more women going to college/university!" Fair enough, more women enrol in universities. And the story now? "There aren't enough men going to college! We need more men to go to college!" What is the reason for this? Possibly concern about the falling academic standards of men? Don't be daft, it's because college-educated women are having trouble finding college-educated boyfriends. It seems all of their demands are about pandering to women (which they claim they don't want, because women are powerful and, like, chivalry is outdated. Yeah).
A common one is the hypocrisy of "rape culture" in the Western world whereas any criticism of Middle Eastern cultures exhibiting a rape culture is shot down as "Islamophobia". Muslims are a minority and people of colour, so in the SJW oppression hierarchy they are also a protected class and can therefore do no wrong.
Internally, the SJW movement(s) are so publicly vindictive (one reason I hate and avoid social media - it is the punishment stocks of our time) they will even attack their own proponents in a competition of virtue signalling. Germaine Greer was recently banned from speaking at an event because she doesn't believe transsexual women experience the same oppressions that "real" women experience; so she's pretty much ostracised from the SJW-end of Feminism, at any rate (that may have changed, I don't keep that much of a track). Now I imagine I would disagree with most, if not all, of Greer's viewpoints, but I am a believer in freedom of speech and expression and do not think people should be attacked or prevented from speaking; ideas can be attacked/challeneged, but that very thing requires speech to occur in the first place.
My main beef with this is the Collectivist angle - see Anita Sarkeesian's comments on 'Choice' Feminism - the idea that women are empowered by being able to make whatever the hell decisions they want in life. She believes that women shouldn't be free to choose what they want to do (focus on a career, focus on having a family, a mix of the two), she thinks that all women should make decisions that benefit all other women. In the SJW sphere, this extends to their various other categorisations of race/culture, sexuality, trans people, etc. so that anyone who falls within a particular Venn circle inherits all of the attributes of that group - attempts to destroy individuality. They then contradict this because they demand special snowflake privileges, my experiences must be heard, you shouldn't silence or speak over people of minorities who want to share their experiences, yadda yadda.
I could go on and probably will, but not in this post.
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