Bigfoot, yeti, Sasquatch, skunk ape, etc. Anything in it?
Discussion
For several months I've been enjoying the process of 'researching' this subject via the internet. As you can imagine there is stacks of 'evidence' in the form of photos, videos, footprint casts, anecdotal, audio, and scientific analysis of biological artefacts. Of course plenty of that mountain of stuff is pure fakery.
Now I am a healthily pragmatic, cynical, sceptical and doubting sort of cove, but I will hereby publicly announce my belief in these creatures' existence. It took me quite a while to decide which way to lean on this and it was a relief when it finally happened.
Okay, you may say, then why has the scientific community not embraced Bigfoot as a bonefide species after all these years (in fact centuries of awareness in native American circles with ancient discovered cave paintings). The response to that goes; who amoung the eminent body of biological science would risk his/her career in declaring that this is a creature ready for full study and classification. It would plainly be career suicide. In addition to that risk, the effort of trying to capture such a clever, watchful, wary and resourceful creature would be highly taxing (not to say dangerous to boot). I think the scientific community has largely formed a consensus that bigfoot is a thing but that it must remain undisturbed for it's own sake, for it's own survival as a species. On that note, 'Australapithicus' has been discovered and declared extinct, though some say it is not extinct at all.
Of course there is plenty of well executed hoax material re this on the net, and my bulls
t radar is now quite well honed. Stuff to avoid especially is the hours of sensational american 'documentaries', nothing worth seeing on those IMO. Its the snippets of raw footage that really fascinate, along with a few individuals who set out to analyse in detail the popular clips and photos, best of which is a chap calling himself 'thinker thunker', give him a look up.
I know many on here will tell me I'm off my chump, that's inevitable, but the final straw for me was learning that mountain gorillas were only discovered and accepted, in the last century.
I've got much to say on this, but it would be good to hear the intelligent opinions of the massive.
Now I am a healthily pragmatic, cynical, sceptical and doubting sort of cove, but I will hereby publicly announce my belief in these creatures' existence. It took me quite a while to decide which way to lean on this and it was a relief when it finally happened.
Okay, you may say, then why has the scientific community not embraced Bigfoot as a bonefide species after all these years (in fact centuries of awareness in native American circles with ancient discovered cave paintings). The response to that goes; who amoung the eminent body of biological science would risk his/her career in declaring that this is a creature ready for full study and classification. It would plainly be career suicide. In addition to that risk, the effort of trying to capture such a clever, watchful, wary and resourceful creature would be highly taxing (not to say dangerous to boot). I think the scientific community has largely formed a consensus that bigfoot is a thing but that it must remain undisturbed for it's own sake, for it's own survival as a species. On that note, 'Australapithicus' has been discovered and declared extinct, though some say it is not extinct at all.
Of course there is plenty of well executed hoax material re this on the net, and my bulls
t radar is now quite well honed. Stuff to avoid especially is the hours of sensational american 'documentaries', nothing worth seeing on those IMO. Its the snippets of raw footage that really fascinate, along with a few individuals who set out to analyse in detail the popular clips and photos, best of which is a chap calling himself 'thinker thunker', give him a look up.I know many on here will tell me I'm off my chump, that's inevitable, but the final straw for me was learning that mountain gorillas were only discovered and accepted, in the last century.
I've got much to say on this, but it would be good to hear the intelligent opinions of the massive.
TerryThomas said:
I doubt you will find much sympathy for your opinion on PH.
FWIW I find it hard to believe a species of that size could remain 'undiscovered' and no corpses have ever been found.
We can find the remains of dinosaurs but not bigfoot? Yeah right.
You are right to say that few will be with me on this, I've raised this subject with various people I know and always get the equivalent of the sideways glance, I fully expect it to be frank.FWIW I find it hard to believe a species of that size could remain 'undiscovered' and no corpses have ever been found.
We can find the remains of dinosaurs but not bigfoot? Yeah right.
The remains of dinosaurs tend to be under ground and I suspect the remains of bigfoot is likewise, buried or eaten by wild animals. It is thought that these animals are a very close genetic relation of humans and they do seem to exhibit intelligent behaviour. If this high intelligence is true, and they do seem to have decided that we as humans are bad news and to be avoided, then it is logical to suppose they would bury/eat their dead to keep as low a profile as possible. The evidence out there shows that they hunt and eat flesh, many videos/pics of them with deer slung over the shoulder. They are found in family groups, and nearly always part hidden and watching the human from the outset of the encounter.
One of the most often quoted reasons for there non-existence is that such a big creature couldn't possibly remain undiscovered, but they seem to live in areas of vast wilderness where it can often be said no modern man has set foot or at least extremely rarely. Over the centuries, when they have encountered man, he has been a hunter and by observation they learnt to keep away.
Down where the sasquatch hide,
In the misty mountainside,
He's got shiny diamonds that he's got to protect,
Look into the sasquatch eye,
Did you know that sass could fly?
Sasquatch is my daddy and he's going to protect, me!
Half man, half machine,
On the cover of a magazine,
Bigfoot is my father and he's got to protect, me!
These lyrics don't make sense,
Think i've found the evidence,
That yeti is my papa and he wants to protect, me!
In the misty mountainside,
He's got shiny diamonds that he's got to protect,
Look into the sasquatch eye,
Did you know that sass could fly?
Sasquatch is my daddy and he's going to protect, me!
Half man, half machine,
On the cover of a magazine,
Bigfoot is my father and he's got to protect, me!
These lyrics don't make sense,
Think i've found the evidence,
That yeti is my papa and he wants to protect, me!
fausTVR said:
For several months I've been enjoying the process of 'researching' this subject via the internet. As you can imagine there is stacks of 'evidence' in the form of photos, videos, footprint casts, anecdotal, audio, and scientific analysis of biological artefacts. Of course plenty of that mountain of stuff is pure fakery.
Now I am a healthily pragmatic, cynical, sceptical and doubting sort of cove, but I will hereby publicly announce my belief in these creatures' existence. It took me quite a while to decide which way to lean on this and it was a relief when it finally happened.
Okay, you may say, then why has the scientific community not embraced Bigfoot as a bonefide species after all these years (in fact centuries of awareness in native American circles with ancient discovered cave paintings). The response to that goes; who amoung the eminent body of biological science would risk his/her career in declaring that this is a creature ready for full study and classification. It would plainly be career suicide. In addition to that risk, the effort of trying to capture such a clever, watchful, wary and resourceful creature would be highly taxing (not to say dangerous to boot). I think the scientific community has largely formed a consensus that bigfoot is a thing but that it must remain undisturbed for it's own sake, for it's own survival as a species. On that note, 'Australapithicus' has been discovered and declared extinct, though some say it is not extinct at all.
Of course there is plenty of well executed hoax material re this on the net, and my bullst radar is now quite well honed. Stuff to avoid especially is the hours of sensational american 'documentaries', nothing worth seeing on those IMO. Its the snippets of raw footage that really fascinate, along with a few individuals who set out to analyse in detail the popular clips and photos, best of which is a chap calling himself 'thinker thunker', give him a look up.
I know many on here will tell me I'm off my chump, that's inevitable, but the final straw for me was learning that mountain gorillas were only discovered and accepted, in the last century.
I've got much to say on this, but it would be good to hear the intelligent opinions of the massive.
OK...Now I am a healthily pragmatic, cynical, sceptical and doubting sort of cove, but I will hereby publicly announce my belief in these creatures' existence. It took me quite a while to decide which way to lean on this and it was a relief when it finally happened.
Okay, you may say, then why has the scientific community not embraced Bigfoot as a bonefide species after all these years (in fact centuries of awareness in native American circles with ancient discovered cave paintings). The response to that goes; who amoung the eminent body of biological science would risk his/her career in declaring that this is a creature ready for full study and classification. It would plainly be career suicide. In addition to that risk, the effort of trying to capture such a clever, watchful, wary and resourceful creature would be highly taxing (not to say dangerous to boot). I think the scientific community has largely formed a consensus that bigfoot is a thing but that it must remain undisturbed for it's own sake, for it's own survival as a species. On that note, 'Australapithicus' has been discovered and declared extinct, though some say it is not extinct at all.
Of course there is plenty of well executed hoax material re this on the net, and my bulls
t radar is now quite well honed. Stuff to avoid especially is the hours of sensational american 'documentaries', nothing worth seeing on those IMO. Its the snippets of raw footage that really fascinate, along with a few individuals who set out to analyse in detail the popular clips and photos, best of which is a chap calling himself 'thinker thunker', give him a look up.I know many on here will tell me I'm off my chump, that's inevitable, but the final straw for me was learning that mountain gorillas were only discovered and accepted, in the last century.
I've got much to say on this, but it would be good to hear the intelligent opinions of the massive.
fausTVR said:
One of the most often quoted reasons for there non-existence is that such a big creature couldn't possibly remain undiscovered, but they seem to live in areas of vast wilderness where it can often be said no modern man has set foot or at least extremely rarely. Over the centuries, when they have encountered man, he has been a hunter and by observation they learnt to keep away.
There was a David Attenborough type prog where they set up a camera in a forest in Indonesia (?) to film a rare nocturnal species and discovered a new unknown species so it can happen, although less likely with a big animal, this was a small bear? cat?The Spruce goose said:
How many calories does an average man need. About 2500. So an animal twice the size living in harse weather would need 5000-6000 calories a day to live. Around 3 kilos of raw meat a day.
Where are all the dead animals.
Where are all the dead animals? Where are all the dead animals.
Eaten? Fruit, berries, tubers, some barks, fish, fowl, deer, rabbit, etc. Some very good video out there shows a group of them which seem to be tracking a herd of buffalo. There is a lot of food out there if you know how to nab it.
Another story with some good video attached related how a small wooded community was being visited by a very aggressive bigfoot and many peoples pet dogs were being ripped apart or dissapearing altogether.
alock said:
Mark Evans (a vet) recently did a program looking at lots of the evidence. All hair/bone samples were tested and found to be bear.
There's a lot of dead ends and hoaxing out there, lets face it, it's a very rich seam for some creative fun for those with time on their hands. That fact actually makes it more fun when looking into it because you have to filter out all this dross, which can be very difficult to do. I've come to believe that amongst all that misdirection and crap is the real stuff.I'm in the same boat, I find the subject fascinating and used to think it was complete and utter bunkum but now I'm not so sure. I've listened to the David Paulides (SP) Missing 411 interviews on YouTube and I've also read and listened to the same by DR Melba Ketchum (SP Again) and there is a lot more to the story I feel.
I also respect the opinion of Les Stroud and his views on the matter, as well as the numerous USSF guys who have commented on the matter.
I'll leave it at that for fear of getting a new one ripped on here! All good fun.
I also respect the opinion of Les Stroud and his views on the matter, as well as the numerous USSF guys who have commented on the matter.
I'll leave it at that for fear of getting a new one ripped on here! All good fun.
FWIW I spend a lot of time every year in the USA with work and a lot of the guys I deal with there are hunters and outdoors types in their spare time. I even have my own Bushmaster rifle there for when I visit and I go hunting with them.
These are guys who are college educated, two of them have doctorates but they are on the 'convinced' side of the spectrum.
I guess their thoughts on the matter rubbed off on me. The Paulides and Ketchum/Stroud stuff is worth a YouTube google though.
These are guys who are college educated, two of them have doctorates but they are on the 'convinced' side of the spectrum.
I guess their thoughts on the matter rubbed off on me. The Paulides and Ketchum/Stroud stuff is worth a YouTube google though.
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