No such thing as 0
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AndStilliRise

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2,295 posts

146 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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It has occurred to me that there is no such thing as 0. You can't have 0 of something as that would imply that 0 is more than nothing. However if 0 is nothing then why don't we use this instead? Using a computer or programming would be much easier dealing with two states rather than 3.

Would anyone agree with me? Or have I got this wrong (possible but not probable)?

Butter Face

35,004 posts

190 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Eh?

0 is nothing, if you have 0 of something then you have none of it.


Purity14

1,919 posts

175 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Null

Vipers

33,514 posts

258 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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My car outside is doing zero mph.

Ambient pressure is zero by gauge, but one atmosphere absolute, so I don't quite follow your thinking.

We have absolute temperature as well.

AndStilliRise

Original Poster:

2,295 posts

146 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Butter Face said:
Eh?

0 is nothing, if you have 0 of something then you have none of it.
That's what I am saying. If you have 0 of something you have something of something. Why not just say you have either a minimal of 1 or nothing.

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

291 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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It makes calculations easier.

deckster

9,631 posts

285 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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AndStilliRise said:
Butter Face said:
Eh?

0 is nothing, if you have 0 of something then you have none of it.
That's what I am saying. If you have 0 of something you have something of something. Why not just say you have either a minimal of 1 or nothing.
As above. Zero is different to null.

Also, maths.

anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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like nothing degrees of latitude or centigrade or rotation? Doesnt work so well in that context

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

274 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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add 312 to 402, show your workings.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that one of the most important and transformative mathematical concepts of the last 4000 years doesn't exist?


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98elise

32,704 posts

191 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Purity14 said:
Null
Null isn't zero, it's an unknown value (from a code perspective anyway).

Dr Jekyll

23,820 posts

291 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Einion Yrth said:
add 312 to 402, show your workings.
Are you seriously trying to suggest that one of the most important and transformative mathematical concepts of the last 4000 years doesn't exist?


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Actually can we keep zero but get rid of 312? It's a really annoying number and I don't think I ever use it.

Einion Yrth

19,575 posts

274 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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98elise said:
Purity14 said:
Null
Null isn't zero, it's an unknown value (from a code perspective anyway).
In debug code it's usually 0x0c0c0c0c;, oddly when programmers at our shop don't guard properly I'm seeing 0x000000018
I have no idea why.

TheInternet

5,267 posts

193 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Next you'll be telling me I can't have -1 loaves of bread or y pints of milk.

FredClogs

14,041 posts

191 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Indian invention wasn't it? It certainly came after the other "numbers". It's a form of infinity.

As others have said its just there to complete the vocabulary and make sense of 2-2.

poing

8,743 posts

230 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Of course there is such a thing as zero, how else would you measure things? It does't have to be physical to exist.

valiant

14,242 posts

190 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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Try dividing by zero. That's where the fun begins (or ends depending on how you look upon these things smile )

Hoofy

80,102 posts

312 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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I think you need to read up on Number Theory.

MiggyA

193 posts

130 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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So, how many times have you personally been to the moon? tongue out

Shuvi McTupya

24,460 posts

277 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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MiggyA said:
So, how many times have you personally been to the moon? tongue out
I haven't ever been to the moon.

I have been zero times sounds silly smile



anonymous-user

84 months

Saturday 14th October 2017
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All the energy is the universe is zero. We are something, but all positive energy is cancelled by negative energy.