So let's talk about the NHS....it is ****ed..thats the truth
Discussion
My two year old somehow caught orbital cellulitis. Terrible to be honest, in a lot of pain etc.
Wife was waiting for around 8 hours with him before he got pain relief via a drip. Also they made them stay overnight a few days and they are there till hopefuly tomorrow so we can get him home.
I left work early to go see what was going on with him. Walked into the ward and to be frank it was chaos. The hospital is massive, but it was bloody rammed everywhere. Not to mention the parking. 15 mins free. 27 minutes cost me £3.50.....what do poor people do eh?
Two people who work there. Either married or shagging and with a child but both in scrubs were kicking off with another doctor about their son. The woman had to be escorted out.
I'm common as muck, don't get me wrong but it was clear the great unwashed were out in force. No f
king beds, no fking pain relief, st NHS. This is bks. fking wkers the lot of them
Look at that doctor., sitting there writing notes and doing fk all. fking ignored Again.... On and on..
To be honest, I sympathised a bit with them. But what I did find shocking was one lady turned up with her hubby and her daughter who was in an arm cast. The daughter was maybe around 12 years old?.
She told me she came back daily to try and get a bed. I dont understand the logic. The girl seemed fine and in a cast and had already had treatment. Why would you come, wait hours on end only to get turned back?
I was about to go to Nuffield or private until I was told they would send me back here as they don't have emergency departments.
Also I forgot about the two sets of Interpreters translating between a couple and some doctors as they could not find an interpreter who could do both clearly.
BUT..... They looked after my son when he got his turn, they offered me coffee today also. And they are under appreciated and they are trying their best.
Like I tried to explain to the great unwashed waiting alongside me. Its not the doctors or nurses. It's all about budget, cost cutting, councils and the idiot in charge of this country.
I honestly don't know how they will solve it. There seems to be many fewer nurses and doctors on wards now. It literally is at breaking point?
Is privatising the answer?
And to those blaming the foreigners and immigrants. I would say over 50% of the doctors and nurses were foreign. I think the doctors were all from India or Pakistan to be honest.
Wife was waiting for around 8 hours with him before he got pain relief via a drip. Also they made them stay overnight a few days and they are there till hopefuly tomorrow so we can get him home.
I left work early to go see what was going on with him. Walked into the ward and to be frank it was chaos. The hospital is massive, but it was bloody rammed everywhere. Not to mention the parking. 15 mins free. 27 minutes cost me £3.50.....what do poor people do eh?
Two people who work there. Either married or shagging and with a child but both in scrubs were kicking off with another doctor about their son. The woman had to be escorted out.
I'm common as muck, don't get me wrong but it was clear the great unwashed were out in force. No f
king beds, no fking pain relief, st NHS. This is bks. fking wkers the lot of themLook at that doctor., sitting there writing notes and doing f
k all. fking ignored Again.... On and on.. To be honest, I sympathised a bit with them. But what I did find shocking was one lady turned up with her hubby and her daughter who was in an arm cast. The daughter was maybe around 12 years old?.
She told me she came back daily to try and get a bed. I dont understand the logic. The girl seemed fine and in a cast and had already had treatment. Why would you come, wait hours on end only to get turned back?
I was about to go to Nuffield or private until I was told they would send me back here as they don't have emergency departments.
Also I forgot about the two sets of Interpreters translating between a couple and some doctors as they could not find an interpreter who could do both clearly.
BUT..... They looked after my son when he got his turn, they offered me coffee today also. And they are under appreciated and they are trying their best.
Like I tried to explain to the great unwashed waiting alongside me. Its not the doctors or nurses. It's all about budget, cost cutting, councils and the idiot in charge of this country.
I honestly don't know how they will solve it. There seems to be many fewer nurses and doctors on wards now. It literally is at breaking point?
Is privatising the answer?
And to those blaming the foreigners and immigrants. I would say over 50% of the doctors and nurses were foreign. I think the doctors were all from India or Pakistan to be honest.
Edited by HannsG on Friday 9th February 21:18
The NHS, as is, is a bottomless money pit.
The only solution is for the general public to realise that not everything can be paid for.
Once we cross that bridge then you have to decide how they spend the money they do get. Would you rather they did 500 hip replacements for the aged or provide a single critical care bed for an infant?
I think they (the NHS) needs to form a US style grand jury of people to direct how the money should be spent, as there is not, and never will be, enough to pay for all that they might wish to do in an ideal world.
The only solution is for the general public to realise that not everything can be paid for.
Once we cross that bridge then you have to decide how they spend the money they do get. Would you rather they did 500 hip replacements for the aged or provide a single critical care bed for an infant?
I think they (the NHS) needs to form a US style grand jury of people to direct how the money should be spent, as there is not, and never will be, enough to pay for all that they might wish to do in an ideal world.
it is hit and miss. parking is expensive,ive been using them a lot last 4 years, i have to have blood taken every week, that is an hour waiting.
I also felt like a conveyor belt with some doctors. I can't afford private but most likely will just live my issue, as i working person it is hard.
i had to change specialist and pretty much beg my gp for referral, and in the end it just seemed pointless. I never get inviting immigration but not building more infrastructure to support it.
I also felt like a conveyor belt with some doctors. I can't afford private but most likely will just live my issue, as i working person it is hard.
i had to change specialist and pretty much beg my gp for referral, and in the end it just seemed pointless. I never get inviting immigration but not building more infrastructure to support it.
A nominal ish fee for much of the typical usages would clear a vast amount of the time wasting going on. The French system of private insurance topping up state care seems to work well.
Ultimately though I think it's now too far gone. Medicine is so much more advanced since the NHS was founded that the exotic options can't be paid for in every case.
People have so little respect for public money, even though ultimately it's their own money and their own necks on the line, that it's going to go up in smoke.
You have suppliers charging thousands for a pile of toilet paper and no one caring enough to question it because it's not their problem.
The NHS is like an elephant slowly being nipped to death by an army of hyenas.
It would be fascinating to see how much lower tax was if people treated public money like their own.
Ultimately though I think it's now too far gone. Medicine is so much more advanced since the NHS was founded that the exotic options can't be paid for in every case.
People have so little respect for public money, even though ultimately it's their own money and their own necks on the line, that it's going to go up in smoke.
You have suppliers charging thousands for a pile of toilet paper and no one caring enough to question it because it's not their problem.
The NHS is like an elephant slowly being nipped to death by an army of hyenas.
It would be fascinating to see how much lower tax was if people treated public money like their own.
loafer123 said:
The NHS is low cost on an international comparison, but has too much pressure put on it from people using it inappropriately.
A charge per appointment, as they do in France, would help deal with time wasters, allowing the staff to concentrate on those who really need it.
I disagree. You cannot quantify inappropriate. People have their reasons to visit surely. Or are you telling me people willingly sit there for hours on end with their tribe with fA charge per appointment, as they do in France, would help deal with time wasters, allowing the staff to concentrate on those who really need it.
k all else to do? I do however agree paying for moving up the queue. I had my business card ready to pay for my sons treatment after seeing him in pain after eight f
king hours. I pay enough tax as it is like everyone....
HannsG said:
loafer123 said:
The NHS is low cost on an international comparison, but has too much pressure put on it from people using it inappropriately.
A charge per appointment, as they do in France, would help deal with time wasters, allowing the staff to concentrate on those who really need it.
I disagree. You cannot quantify inappropriate.... A charge per appointment, as they do in France, would help deal with time wasters, allowing the staff to concentrate on those who really need it.
I do however agree paying for moving up the queue. I had my business card ready to pay for my sons treatment after seeing him in pain after eight f
king hours. I pay enough tax as it is like everyone....
On the one hand you say you pay enough tax, and on the other you want to pay more to jump the queue.
I take issue with the whole concept of taxpayer-funded healthcare.
Why should I have to pay for some overweight bugger's self-inflicted health issues?
More insurance-based system would probably see more people taking care of their bodies. Want to live an unhealthy lifestyle? Okay then you pay higher premiums on your health insurance.
Why should I have to pay for some overweight bugger's self-inflicted health issues?
More insurance-based system would probably see more people taking care of their bodies. Want to live an unhealthy lifestyle? Okay then you pay higher premiums on your health insurance.
Lanker22 said:
More insurance-based system would probably see more people taking care of their bodies. Want to live an unhealthy lifestyle? Okay then you pay higher premiums on your health insurance.
We have an insurance based system. But there is only one insurance company, no-one knows what their premium is, or what they are covered for.loafer123 said:
Your argument doesn’t make any sense.
On the one hand you say you pay enough tax, and on the other you want to pay more to jump the queue.
Makes perfect sense to me. The tax is not enough. So I'll pay private for the treatment in that emergency department.On the one hand you say you pay enough tax, and on the other you want to pay more to jump the queue.
Sheepshanks said:
Most people wouldn't be asked to pay though. Only 10% of prescriptions are paid for.
10% of prescriptions are paid for? I don't believe this...I have always paid for mine, although I hear the hesitation when the lady serving me asks me whether I do or not.
Is the welfare state really that entrenched in the UK
Edited by HannsG on Friday 9th February 21:34
Sheepshanks said:
Most people wouldn't be asked to pay though. Only 10% of prescriptions are paid for.
GP visits, outpatient stuff. And I never seem to pay enough attention so wind up paying £8 whatever for 10p's worth of Ibuprofen. A friend of mine broke his ankle. I didn't have a car to hand that day so had to call an ambulance to come and get him.
When I carried him out to the ambulance the paramedics were absolutely ecstatic to be dealing with a real injury. I got the impression most of the time they were called out to rewire kettles or deal with the sniffles.
This is the country though.
More willingness by the NHS to hand off patients to private healthcare would be a big help IMO.
Me and my wife have had private health care though work many times in the past - and you virtually have to plead with the GP to refer you. They always seem reluctant to do so and almost look at you in disgust for even suggesting it - which I find really odd.
Given the resource pressure the NHS is under - you'd think they'd be glad to offload as many patients as they could.
IMO GPs should be asking if people have private healthcare (it could even be flagged on your medical file) - and they should be actively referring people on if at all possible.
Me and my wife have had private health care though work many times in the past - and you virtually have to plead with the GP to refer you. They always seem reluctant to do so and almost look at you in disgust for even suggesting it - which I find really odd.
Given the resource pressure the NHS is under - you'd think they'd be glad to offload as many patients as they could.
IMO GPs should be asking if people have private healthcare (it could even be flagged on your medical file) - and they should be actively referring people on if at all possible.
The BBC and the press seem to be fixated on problems in A&E. There's lots of emotive footage to be found there. And for lots of people, especially the younger ones, that's the only contact they have with the NHS.
However, the NHS is much more than that. I don't recommend it, but if you have cause to rely on the NHS for major and life saving treatment after contracting serious illness, you realise that it is very far from broken. Both myself and my wife have had this experience at different stages of our lives, and our treatment was world class, prompt and professionally delivered.
Much of the problem with A&E is down to bed blockage and the inefficiency caused by having hospital and aftercare divided into services controlled by different bodies, both jealous of their own financial restraints. A reasonably small increase in overall funding, and a very big increase in common sense in organising health care would result in the press having to look elsewhere for their headlines.
However, the NHS is much more than that. I don't recommend it, but if you have cause to rely on the NHS for major and life saving treatment after contracting serious illness, you realise that it is very far from broken. Both myself and my wife have had this experience at different stages of our lives, and our treatment was world class, prompt and professionally delivered.
Much of the problem with A&E is down to bed blockage and the inefficiency caused by having hospital and aftercare divided into services controlled by different bodies, both jealous of their own financial restraints. A reasonably small increase in overall funding, and a very big increase in common sense in organising health care would result in the press having to look elsewhere for their headlines.
RichB said:
And some are suggesting the NHS should provide hipster smokers with their vape pipe stuff free of charge. Tell me why I should pay for someone to smoke - oops sorry "vape". 
Way to go to pick one of the things actually likely to help save the NHS money if it can get smokers off smoking and onto the much healthier option of vaping. Compared to patches, gum , etc... vaping is a fraction of the cost. Mind you, by the time a supplier has added on the NHS 'tax' the vaping kit that costs a normal person £50 will probably be charged to the NHS at £500.Of course another problem is if people don't die of smoking related issues they're only going to eventually die of old age in a home requiring nursing care as they dribble towards death. That's not cheap either.
Ideally we need people to die suddenly as soon as they stop paying taxes; Logan's Run but maybe with the red light set to 67 years old.
Moonhawk said:
IMO GPs should be asking if people have private healthcare (it could even be flagged on your medical file) - and they should be actively referring people on if at all possible.
Private looks good for the niggly stuff, but as far as I can tell if you have something properly serious private health will send you straight back to the NHS.Gassing Station | The Lounge | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff