Whats this phenomena?
Whats this phenomena?
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KAgantua

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5,189 posts

161 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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The more you progress in something (For example a skill, job or martial art) the more you realise you dont know.

For example you start out as a white belt, and think yo uknow a lot.
Become a blue belt, by this point you realise how much there is to know that you need to learn...

there is a saying for this, but I have forgotten. Does anyone know pelase?

Thanks.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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Conscious incompetency.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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The stages of learning ..

Unconscious incompetence
Conscious incompetence
Conscious competence
Unconscious competence

SpeckledJim

34,195 posts

283 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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It's the corollary to the Dunning Kruger Effect.

Incompetent people overestimate how good they are at things, because they are incompetent.

Europa1

10,923 posts

218 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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Surely it's 'What's this phenomenon?'

caelite

4,282 posts

142 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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Surely it's like the inverse of 'Ignorance is bliss'

To quote Alexander Pope:
"A little learning is a dangerous thing; drink deep, or taste not the Pierian spring: there shallow draughts intoxicate the brain, and drinking largely sobers us again."

FredClogs

14,041 posts

191 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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Confucius say...

A fool thinks he's a wise man, a wise man knows he's just a fool.

Maybe it was Plato, i dunno.

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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FredClogs said:
Confucius say...

A fool thinks he's a wise man, a wise man knows he's just a fool.

Maybe it was Plato, i dunno.
Jason? Or maybe Pluto?

popeyewhite

23,087 posts

150 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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garyhun said:
Conscious incompetency.
I don't think so. That's static - describes a state - and doesn't outline the dynamic proportional relationship in growth of understanding and one's lack of deeper knowledge. Having said that I can't think of anything better, but I don't think any of the four stages are really applicable in this instance.

Gary29

5,234 posts

129 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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Golf.

The game, not the car.

KAgantua

Original Poster:

5,189 posts

161 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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Yes - Corollary to the Dunning Kruger effect. Whats that? Thanks for all your replies so far. j

SpeckledJim

34,195 posts

283 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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KAgantua said:
Yes - Corollary to the Dunning Kruger effect. Whats that? Thanks for all your replies so far. j
Basically the Dunning Kruger Effect established that when asked to estimate how good they are at something, people who are very good at it underestimate their skill (because, as you state, they know how much they don't know) and people who are very bad at it overestimate their skill (because they aren't aware of how much there is that they don't know).


DanielSan

20,029 posts

197 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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garyhun said:
The stages of learning ..

Unconscious incompetence
Conscious incompetence
Conscious competence
Unconscious competence
Step one usually starts happening once again past certain levels of promotion...

anonymous-user

84 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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DanielSan said:
garyhun said:
The stages of learning ..

Unconscious incompetence
Conscious incompetence
Conscious competence
Unconscious competence
Step one usually starts happening once again past certain levels of promotion...
And I’ve seen it many times smile

red_slr

20,792 posts

219 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
Incompetent people overestimate how good they are at things, because they are incompetent.
You Sir have just hit the nail on the head. On a daily basis I tell employees to do ABC and they tell me <kimi> yes yes stop telling me I know what I am doing </kimi> only for them to come back and report they have completed the task G7% and broken 2 items of company equipment in the process.

popegregory

1,917 posts

164 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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popeyewhite said:
garyhun said:
Conscious incompetency.
I don't think so. That's static - describes a state - and doesn't outline the dynamic proportional relationship in growth of understanding and one's lack of deeper knowledge. Having said that I can't think of anything better, but I don't think any of the four stages are really applicable in this instance.
I think they are, you move through the conscious incompetence in any learning situation. By the end of my first term at uni I was shocked at how little I knew, by the third year I was getting to grips with it, it’s the same here.

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

162 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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SpeckledJim said:
KAgantua said:
Yes - Corollary to the Dunning Kruger effect. Whats that? Thanks for all your replies so far. j
Basically the Dunning Kruger Effect established that when asked to estimate how good they are at something, people who are very good at it underestimate their skill (because, as you state, they know how much they don't know) and people who are very bad at it overestimate their skill (because they aren't aware of how much there is that they don't know).
... and the related better than average effect, people that can be shown to be objectively bad at things, like having accidents, still rate themselves as better than average.

https://curiosity.com/topics/the-better-than-avera...

funkyrobot

18,789 posts

258 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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garyhun said:
FredClogs said:
Confucius say...

A fool thinks he's a wise man, a wise man knows he's just a fool.

Maybe it was Plato, i dunno.
Jason? Or maybe Pluto?
Does he still use the same dry cleaners?

red_slr

20,792 posts

219 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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funkyrobot said:
garyhun said:
FredClogs said:
Confucius say...

A fool thinks he's a wise man, a wise man knows he's just a fool.

Maybe it was Plato, i dunno.
Jason? Or maybe Pluto?
Does he still use the same dry cleaners?
Ahh that never gets old smile

Sam993

1,302 posts

102 months

Thursday 17th May 2018
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