Junior Mathematical Challenge 2018
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Not heard of this before, my son just came home with a Gold Certificate, one of only 2 in his year that did. It seems like it’s something to be proud of as they don’t seem to hand them out to anyone.
Partly a little frustrated that we had to battle to get him moved to top set for maths last year after a crappy year 6 teacher held him back for reasons never explained. This impacted his year 7 start point and we’re only just starting to get the school to work with us. He is literally 2% over the cutoff point for being classified as dyslexic and really struggles to process written questions, English homework night is horrific for him and us, we don’t even know when he has maths because it’s done in 5 minutes.
Anyway, from what I’ve read it seems like quite an achievement, but not sure where it puts him overall. Top 30%, 20%, 10%???
Anybody know much about this, provide some context?
Partly a little frustrated that we had to battle to get him moved to top set for maths last year after a crappy year 6 teacher held him back for reasons never explained. This impacted his year 7 start point and we’re only just starting to get the school to work with us. He is literally 2% over the cutoff point for being classified as dyslexic and really struggles to process written questions, English homework night is horrific for him and us, we don’t even know when he has maths because it’s done in 5 minutes.
Anyway, from what I’ve read it seems like quite an achievement, but not sure where it puts him overall. Top 30%, 20%, 10%???
Anybody know much about this, provide some context?
Kermit power said:
LordGrover said:
I assume you googled for this: click?
I absolutely love the fact that you've got absolutely all the information you need in there to estimate how many individual children get awarded a Gold, but because it's a Maths challenge, you have to work it out for yourself!!
Or have I disgraced myself?
born2bslow said:
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Anyway, from what I’ve read it seems like quite an achievement, but not sure where it puts him overall. Top 30%, 20%, 10%???
Given the appalling standard of maths in this country, I would imagine anyone who is excelling at yr 7 maths is probably in the top 10% of the whole UK population. Both my sons have A level maths (B & C grades) and that probably puts them in the top 1%.Anyway, from what I’ve read it seems like quite an achievement, but not sure where it puts him overall. Top 30%, 20%, 10%???
I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Given the appalling standard of maths in this country, I would imagine anyone who is excelling at yr 7 maths is probably in the top 10% of the whole UK population. Both my sons have A level maths (B & C grades) and that probably puts them in the top 1%.
I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
Are they made up stats?I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Given the appalling standard of maths in this country, I would imagine anyone who is excelling at yr 7 maths is probably in the top 10% of the whole UK population. Both my sons have A level maths (B & C grades) and that probably puts them in the top 1%.
I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
I doubt year 7s are doing A level maths. If they are it is good going. I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
Now going back to differentiate some trigonometric equations using the quotient rule
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Given the appalling standard of maths in this country, I would imagine anyone who is excelling at yr 7 maths is probably in the top 10% of the whole UK population. Both my sons have A level maths (B & C grades) and that probably puts them in the top 1%.
I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
I think that your numbers are a bit off.I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
28% of A level students take A level maths, and I think around 2/3 of all students take A-levels, so about 19% of all students take A-level maths. Even if we assumed that these were all the best mathematicians then a C which puts you in the bottom third of all who take the exam means that you are at best in the twelfth percentile, not the top one.
An A* probably puts you in the top 3%
James_B said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Given the appalling standard of maths in this country, I would imagine anyone who is excelling at yr 7 maths is probably in the top 10% of the whole UK population. Both my sons have A level maths (B & C grades) and that probably puts them in the top 1%.
I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
I think that your numbers are a bit off.I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
28% of A level students take A level maths, and I think around 2/3 of all students take A-levels, so about 19% of all students take A-level maths. Even if we assumed that these were all the best mathematicians then a C which puts you in the bottom third of all who take the exam means that you are at best in the twelfth percentile, not the top one.
An A* probably puts you in the top 3%
Donbot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Given the appalling standard of maths in this country, I would imagine anyone who is excelling at yr 7 maths is probably in the top 10% of the whole UK population. Both my sons have A level maths (B & C grades) and that probably puts them in the top 1%.
I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
I doubt year 7s are doing A level maths. If they are it is good going. I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Donbot said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Given the appalling standard of maths in this country, I would imagine anyone who is excelling at yr 7 maths is probably in the top 10% of the whole UK population. Both my sons have A level maths (B & C grades) and that probably puts them in the top 1%.
I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
I doubt year 7s are doing A level maths. If they are it is good going. I always say there are 3 types of people in this country, those who can add up and those who can't.
James_B said:
I think that your numbers are a bit off.
28% of A level students take A level maths, and I think around 2/3 of all students take A-levels, so about 19% of all students take A-level maths. Even if we assumed that these were all the best mathematicians then a C which puts you in the bottom third of all who take the exam means that you are at best in the twelfth percentile, not the top one.
An A* probably puts you in the top 3%
A levels are graded A-E...28% of A level students take A level maths, and I think around 2/3 of all students take A-levels, so about 19% of all students take A-level maths. Even if we assumed that these were all the best mathematicians then a C which puts you in the bottom third of all who take the exam means that you are at best in the twelfth percentile, not the top one.
An A* probably puts you in the top 3%
TwigtheWonderkid said:
There are 70 million people in the UK. How many of them are at the standard of A level maths. If it's under 700K, then anyone with with A level maths is in the top 1%. I know many grown adults that haven't a clue what percentage is, don't know how many noughts are in 10K, 1M etc. Just shocking.
Come on, I showed you the numbers up above.A C puts you in the 88th percentile of the general,population, it means that you came in the bottom third of people taking the exam.
If you think that I got a step wrong then show me where, but you surely can’t read that and just repeat the original assertion, can you?
You do understand the maths that I used, don’t you?
Einion Yrth said:
A levels are graded A-E...
Yes, but what do you think that that says to contradict what I wrote?Am I missing a whoosh, here?
17.5% A*
24.3% A
21.9% B
Which is 63.7% A*- B, so a C puts you, at best in the 63rd percentile, or roughly the bottom third.
C is 16.2%, so the bottom of C puts you nearly in the bottom fifth of those who took the exam.
Edited to add link
http://www.bstubbs.co.uk/a-lev.htm
And again, if I messed up the numbers happy to be shown where.
SpeckledJim said:
Kermit power said:
LordGrover said:
I assume you googled for this: click?
I absolutely love the fact that you've got absolutely all the information you need in there to estimate how many individual children get awarded a Gold, but because it's a Maths challenge, you have to work it out for yourself!!
Or have I disgraced myself?
V8mate said:
Forget the percentages; to get a Gold you only have to get 55% of the questions right, so it sounds more like a 'Certificate of Attendance'.
Where is that? I can't find it.My understanding is the percentage marked correct is not stated.
To recognise the highest performers in the Challenge we award the top-scoring 40% of participants bronze, silver and gold certificates in the ratio 3:2:1.
i.e. to qualify for a 'medal' you must be in the top 40%, regardless of 'percent correct'.
Bronze 20%
Silver ~13%
Gold ~7%
LordGrover said:
V8mate said:
Forget the percentages; to get a Gold you only have to get 55% of the questions right, so it sounds more like a 'Certificate of Attendance'.
Where is that? I can't find it.My understanding is the percentage marked correct is not stated.
To recognise the highest performers in the Challenge we award the top-scoring 40% of participants bronze, silver and gold certificates in the ratio 3:2:1.
i.e. to qualify for a 'medal' you must be in the top 40%, regardless of 'percent correct'.
Bronze 20%
Silver ~13%
Gold ~7%
V8mate said:
LordGrover said:
V8mate said:
Forget the percentages; to get a Gold you only have to get 55% of the questions right, so it sounds more like a 'Certificate of Attendance'.
Where is that? I can't find it.My understanding is the percentage marked correct is not stated.
To recognise the highest performers in the Challenge we award the top-scoring 40% of participants bronze, silver and gold certificates in the ratio 3:2:1.
i.e. to qualify for a 'medal' you must be in the top 40%, regardless of 'percent correct'.
Bronze 20%
Silver ~13%
Gold ~7%
After that you're a kangaroo apparently
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