Does a world record stand if a person dies doing it.
Discussion
stuartmmcfc said:
Speed records usually are an average of each way trips. I guess if the return leg ended in disaster then the average speed is going to be pretty low.
There is talk that Jessi Combs had crossed the line on the second run before the accident which killed her. I imagine that’s what the OP is about.
Eric Mc said:
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Pericoloso said:
Not quite the same but there has been a posthumous F1 world champion.
He never got any points for the race he died in though!Someone above mentioned a pole vaulter, breaking the record but impaling themselves on the way down. I don't know the rules of international pole vaulting, but I suspect a successful landing is needed to validate the jump? Could be wrong though.
TwigtheWonderkid said:
Someone above mentioned a pole vaulter, breaking the record but impaling themselves on the way down. I don't know the rules of international pole vaulting, but I suspect a successful landing is needed to validate the jump? Could be wrong though.
A successful landing was certain, gravity takes care of that dead or alive.I would say it stands if they met the criteria of the record.
So for the case in question, if Jesse Coombs died *just after* crossing the finish line having completed two successful speed runs, then yes, the record is set. If however, the conditions of the record also include "must come to a safe and complete stop after the record attempt" then no, she has not.
If she died and THEN the car hit the speed record then no, she did not set a record (for example, had a heart attack at 390 mph and car continued accelerating past 400 after she had died)
So for the case in question, if Jesse Coombs died *just after* crossing the finish line having completed two successful speed runs, then yes, the record is set. If however, the conditions of the record also include "must come to a safe and complete stop after the record attempt" then no, she has not.
If she died and THEN the car hit the speed record then no, she did not set a record (for example, had a heart attack at 390 mph and car continued accelerating past 400 after she had died)
Paul_M3 said:
There is talk that Jessi Combs had crossed the line on the second run before the accident which killed her.
I imagine that’s what the OP is about.
I think that was what started me thinking about it.I imagine that’s what the OP is about.
So I thought is there a facility in the rules to stop fools/idiots with a death wish from not shutting off the power in order to obtain a record with almost certain death as the consequence.
A safety factor built into any record attempts would be to make clear to all contenders 'If you die as a result of obtaining the record the record does not stand'. It would make sense.
This is from the Guinness World Records website, so maybe it would stand..?
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records...
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records...
kestral said:
I think that was what started me thinking about it.
So I thought is there a facility in the rules to stop fools/idiots with a death wish from not shutting off the power in order to obtain a record with almost certain death as the consequence.
A safety factor built into any record attempts would be to make clear to all contenders 'If you die as a result of obtaining the record the record does not stand'. It would make sense.
Make sense for who? I would think most people attempting "serious" records are cognisant of the risks and accept them accordingly. If however it's more along the lines of many gallons of houmus can I pump into my arse with an industrial concrete pump, maybe we should just let Darwinism take its course?So I thought is there a facility in the rules to stop fools/idiots with a death wish from not shutting off the power in order to obtain a record with almost certain death as the consequence.
A safety factor built into any record attempts would be to make clear to all contenders 'If you die as a result of obtaining the record the record does not stand'. It would make sense.
Martin350 said:
This is from the Guinness World Records website, so maybe it would stand..?
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records...
In that case it was not the record holders choice so not the same.https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records...
The argument is.
Is a fool/idot,someone not of sound mind,of sound mind but so determined allowed to kill themselves in order to obtain a world record. Should those who sanction world records refuse to do so in order to protect people as described above from themselves, along with keeping the viewing public/authorities in line with moral values.
Can one really have a situation develop where the public outcry at another death of joe blogs killing himself in order to obtian a world.
Also when it not Joe Bloggs being killed but Josephine Bloggs being killed the present situation(if there is no rule) starts to be looked upon differently.
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kestral said:
Is a fool/idot,someone not of sound mind,of sound mind but so determined allowed to kill themselves in order to obtain a world record. Should those who sanction world records refuse to do so in order to protect people as described above from themselves, along with keeping the viewing public/authorities in line with moral values.
I understood that Guinness refuses to recognise terminally stupid (or even just stupid) record attempts.Dogwatch said:
I understood that Guinness refuses to recognise terminally stupid (or even just stupid) record attempts.
Guinness is only semi official.It's other authorities like the FIM, ACU ect do they allow crazies to kill themselves in order to get therir name in the book. Especially female ones?
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