Is the FULL Corona Doom Inevitable in UK?
Discussion
Guess it's Part of culture of being ''Tough'' which you can't really change that easily?
Everyone is very aware of not going out if you are sick, yet today I saw in shops half of the cashiers coughing and looking just terrible, full shops of people coughing on each other while being extremely close - basically the regular scene you see around this time of the year..
Mothers grouping at school entries and just casually coughing at each other etc.. just the regular stuff.
Also not being able to get tested ... wuuuuut?
Anyone else expects the worst specially in UK while the rest of the countries will get the hang of it and be able to halt it?
Also the number everyone tries to downplay:
3% from 56mil ( 80% from 70k mil population) is 1,680,000 of Dead generally Older people...
What's happening bros?
Can We Man up, actually be tough, and get the hang of this?
Everyone is very aware of not going out if you are sick, yet today I saw in shops half of the cashiers coughing and looking just terrible, full shops of people coughing on each other while being extremely close - basically the regular scene you see around this time of the year..
Mothers grouping at school entries and just casually coughing at each other etc.. just the regular stuff.
Also not being able to get tested ... wuuuuut?
Anyone else expects the worst specially in UK while the rest of the countries will get the hang of it and be able to halt it?
Also the number everyone tries to downplay:
3% from 56mil ( 80% from 70k mil population) is 1,680,000 of Dead generally Older people...
What's happening bros?
Can We Man up, actually be tough, and get the hang of this?
bagusbagus said:
Guess it's Part of culture of being ''Tough'' which you can't really change that easily?
Everyone is very aware of not going out if you are sick, yet today I saw in shops half of the cashiers coughing and looking just terrible, full shops of people coughing on each other while being extremely close - basically the regular scene you see around this time of the year..
Mothers grouping at school entries and just casually coughing at each other etc.. just the regular stuff.
Also not being able to get tested ... wuuuuut?
Anyone else expects the worst specially in UK while the rest of the countries will get the hang of it and be able to halt it?
Also the number everyone tries to downplay:
3% from 56mil ( 80% from 70k mil population) is 1,680,000 of Dead generally Older people...
What's happening bros?
Can We Man up, actually be tough, and get the hang of this?
Whereabouts? All I saw were a few individuals, glowering if they thought you were about to enter their personal space. Everyone is very aware of not going out if you are sick, yet today I saw in shops half of the cashiers coughing and looking just terrible, full shops of people coughing on each other while being extremely close - basically the regular scene you see around this time of the year..
Mothers grouping at school entries and just casually coughing at each other etc.. just the regular stuff.
Also not being able to get tested ... wuuuuut?
Anyone else expects the worst specially in UK while the rest of the countries will get the hang of it and be able to halt it?
Also the number everyone tries to downplay:
3% from 56mil ( 80% from 70k mil population) is 1,680,000 of Dead generally Older people...
What's happening bros?
Can We Man up, actually be tough, and get the hang of this?
One fella shuffled quickly across the road.
Hardly anyone about, road quiet, was a bit post apocalyptic.
2gins said:
What I want to know is this. What is the end game to a lock down scenario? I don't believe the threat is over. I think at best you buy time. But if it's as virulent as it is said to be then yes I'd say it's inevitable.
I have no expertise in the field at all. Happy to be educated.
As other countries have shown it's possible to halt it almost completely if everyone actually gets their stuff together, yes it's hard but it's Not Impossible.I have no expertise in the field at all. Happy to be educated.
A small but great example a town of some 3000 in Italy testing ALL it's residents, completely isolating all 88 infected until they recover = Problem Gone at a tiny cost of some 15euros per test.
Every country on earth is taking it up as a war situation and doing what needs to be done, If we are the only one not doing it/doing it half-arsed There is no chance the rest of the World will ever open up borders with anyone left alive stuck here.
Actually Most of us are just regular people hit by this with no ''expertise in the field at all''.
The good news is, you do not need such expertise , only just Basic knowledge , Empathy & Willingness.
Good luck Everyone, Let this not be something that needs to be written about in History books!
bagusbagus said:
As other countries have shown it's possible to halt it almost completely if everyone actually gets their stuff together, yes it's hard but it's Not Impossible.
A small but great example a town of some 3000 in Italy testing ALL it's residents, completely isolating all 88 infected until they recover = Problem Gone at a tiny cost of some 15euros per test.
Every country on earth is taking it up as a war situation and doing what needs to be done, If we are the only one not doing it/doing it half-arsed There is no chance the rest of the World will ever open up borders with anyone left alive stuck here.
Actually Most of us are just regular people hit by this with no ''expertise in the field at all''.
The good news is, you do not need such expertise , only just Basic knowledge , Empathy & Willingness.
Good luck Everyone, Let this not be something that needs to be written about in History books!
You only need to miss a handful of people, and it's back. Noone yet has a convincing exit strategy. Watching Wuhan come off lock down will be very interesting. Italy too.A small but great example a town of some 3000 in Italy testing ALL it's residents, completely isolating all 88 infected until they recover = Problem Gone at a tiny cost of some 15euros per test.
Every country on earth is taking it up as a war situation and doing what needs to be done, If we are the only one not doing it/doing it half-arsed There is no chance the rest of the World will ever open up borders with anyone left alive stuck here.
Actually Most of us are just regular people hit by this with no ''expertise in the field at all''.
The good news is, you do not need such expertise , only just Basic knowledge , Empathy & Willingness.
Good luck Everyone, Let this not be something that needs to be written about in History books!
bagusbagus said:
A small but great example a town of some 3000 in Italy testing ALL it's residents, completely isolating all 88 infected until they recover = Problem Gone at a tiny cost of some 15euros per test.
Testing costs are varying massively globally at the moment, not sure where the 15euro cost came from but in the US 2 weeks ago it was costing $3000 per test, this was then dropped to $1200 ... depends on the structuring of the health system and how its funded as to the practicability of such.Doesnt mean its not insurmountable of course, just a further additional challenge
Surely testing is like the MOT
only valid until the end of the test
you could walk out of the hospital and bump into someone who has it.
Likewise,and my boss always fell for it, the CRB check. Every time it came around i moaned about it being a waste of time. He always defended it saying it proved i wasn't a kiddie fiddler
I said NO it doesn't. It proves i haven't been caught yet
only valid until the end of the test
you could walk out of the hospital and bump into someone who has it.
Likewise,and my boss always fell for it, the CRB check. Every time it came around i moaned about it being a waste of time. He always defended it saying it proved i wasn't a kiddie fiddler
I said NO it doesn't. It proves i haven't been caught yet
That town of 3000 in Italy? They are condemned to years of self isolation. They have zero natural immunity and it will be years before the general vaccination reaches them and even then the strain of C19 will have changed.
This is the reality: this form of Coronavirus is here to stay. It will return after the summer and it will almost certainly be a slightly different strain each time.
This Italian towns are going to become conclaves of fear ‘not taking kindly to strangers’. Every family member returning from work and life in Milan or Rome to visit their family will risk wiping out half the town. Every year.
In the UK we are going to have a horror show of deaths and the NHS will run out of capacity. It is going to be grim but our policy of the elderly and vulnerable self isolating, workers who can work from home doing so but the less vulnerable not being in enforced lock down is very, very logical.
We must check on elderly people we know and neighbours and aim to all work logically and practically together.
For me, I’m like Clarence Beeks when I go shopping I despise people being in my personal space and have never really had any qualms in telling people to keep a civilised distance or calling them out for being dirty and uncivilised. As a society we do need to revert to not tolerating coughs, sneezes, yawns not carried out in the respectful manner. We need to revert to washing our hands after travelling in public or before we eat.
We just need to revert to basic manners, civility and basic respect for others as this virus is part of our society now. The simple fact is that most people never lost their manners or respect but what we did lose is the strength to call out the minority over their public behaviour.
This is the reality: this form of Coronavirus is here to stay. It will return after the summer and it will almost certainly be a slightly different strain each time.
This Italian towns are going to become conclaves of fear ‘not taking kindly to strangers’. Every family member returning from work and life in Milan or Rome to visit their family will risk wiping out half the town. Every year.
In the UK we are going to have a horror show of deaths and the NHS will run out of capacity. It is going to be grim but our policy of the elderly and vulnerable self isolating, workers who can work from home doing so but the less vulnerable not being in enforced lock down is very, very logical.
We must check on elderly people we know and neighbours and aim to all work logically and practically together.
For me, I’m like Clarence Beeks when I go shopping I despise people being in my personal space and have never really had any qualms in telling people to keep a civilised distance or calling them out for being dirty and uncivilised. As a society we do need to revert to not tolerating coughs, sneezes, yawns not carried out in the respectful manner. We need to revert to washing our hands after travelling in public or before we eat.
We just need to revert to basic manners, civility and basic respect for others as this virus is part of our society now. The simple fact is that most people never lost their manners or respect but what we did lose is the strength to call out the minority over their public behaviour.
DonkeyApple said:
That town of 3000 in Italy? They are condemned to years of self isolation. They have zero natural immunity and it will be years before the general vaccination reaches them and even then the strain of C19 will have changed.
This is the reality: this form of Coronavirus is here to stay. It will return after the summer and it will almost certainly be a slightly different strain each time.
This Italian towns are going to become conclaves of fear ‘not taking kindly to strangers’. Every family member returning from work and life in Milan or Rome to visit their family will risk wiping out half the town. Every year.
In the UK we are going to have a horror show of deaths and the NHS will run out of capacity. It is going to be grim but our policy of the elderly and vulnerable self isolating, workers who can work from home doing so but the less vulnerable not being in enforced lock down is very, very logical.
We must check on elderly people we know and neighbours and aim to all work logically and practically together.
For me, I’m like Clarence Beeks when I go shopping I despise people being in my personal space and have never really had any qualms in telling people to keep a civilised distance or calling them out for being dirty and uncivilised. As a society we do need to revert to not tolerating coughs, sneezes, yawns not carried out in the respectful manner. We need to revert to washing our hands after travelling in public or before we eat.
We just need to revert to basic manners, civility and basic respect for others as this virus is part of our society now. The simple fact is that most people never lost their manners or respect but what we did lose is the strength to call out the minority over their public behaviour.
this is bang on the moneyThis is the reality: this form of Coronavirus is here to stay. It will return after the summer and it will almost certainly be a slightly different strain each time.
This Italian towns are going to become conclaves of fear ‘not taking kindly to strangers’. Every family member returning from work and life in Milan or Rome to visit their family will risk wiping out half the town. Every year.
In the UK we are going to have a horror show of deaths and the NHS will run out of capacity. It is going to be grim but our policy of the elderly and vulnerable self isolating, workers who can work from home doing so but the less vulnerable not being in enforced lock down is very, very logical.
We must check on elderly people we know and neighbours and aim to all work logically and practically together.
For me, I’m like Clarence Beeks when I go shopping I despise people being in my personal space and have never really had any qualms in telling people to keep a civilised distance or calling them out for being dirty and uncivilised. As a society we do need to revert to not tolerating coughs, sneezes, yawns not carried out in the respectful manner. We need to revert to washing our hands after travelling in public or before we eat.
We just need to revert to basic manners, civility and basic respect for others as this virus is part of our society now. The simple fact is that most people never lost their manners or respect but what we did lose is the strength to call out the minority over their public behaviour.
2gins said:
Hoofy said:
Fk me I thought he was dead!At some point this outbreak will end. Let’s say three months.
What I do not understand is how behaviours will change. Will people suddenly return to crowded venues ? Will parents be comfortable sending the kids back to school? Ready to rebook that cruise on a giant ship, or cram like sardines on Ryanair to Barcelona ?
Also how long wil it be for people to start spending? There is great financial damage and I very much doubt that we will quickly revert to the same as before.
What I do not understand is how behaviours will change. Will people suddenly return to crowded venues ? Will parents be comfortable sending the kids back to school? Ready to rebook that cruise on a giant ship, or cram like sardines on Ryanair to Barcelona ?
Also how long wil it be for people to start spending? There is great financial damage and I very much doubt that we will quickly revert to the same as before.
2gins said:
What I want to know is this. What is the end game to a lock down scenario? I don't believe the threat is over. I think at best you buy time. But if it's as virulent as it is said to be then yes I'd say it's inevitable.
I have no expertise in the field at all. Happy to be educated.
Isn't the endgame that you stamp it out in country? So no new cases in say 4 weeks and you can lift the "lockdown".I have no expertise in the field at all. Happy to be educated.
The problem is other countries won't have stamped it out so you need to maintain border controls and make everyone arriving quarantine for 2 weeks so they don't bring it back in. China are having that problem now - no new domestic cases just people arriving from overseas with it.
Keep that up until a treatment / vaccine comes along.
International travel is going to be a pain for a long time I reckon: 2 weeks quarantine on arrival, 2 weeks holiday, 2 weeks quarantine when you get back to the UK. International airlines are f
ked.RDMcG said:
At some point this outbreak will end. Let’s say three months.
What I do not understand is how behaviours will change. Will people suddenly return to crowded venues ? Will parents be comfortable sending the kids back to school? Ready to rebook that cruise on a giant ship, or cram like sardines on Ryanair to Barcelona ?
Also how long wil it be for people to start spending? There is great financial damage and I very much doubt that we will quickly revert to the same as before.
I would cancel your summer hols to Benidorm if I were you What I do not understand is how behaviours will change. Will people suddenly return to crowded venues ? Will parents be comfortable sending the kids back to school? Ready to rebook that cruise on a giant ship, or cram like sardines on Ryanair to Barcelona ?
Also how long wil it be for people to start spending? There is great financial damage and I very much doubt that we will quickly revert to the same as before.
alorotom said:
Testing costs are varying massively globally at the moment, not sure where the 15euro cost came from but in the US 2 weeks ago it was costing $3000 per test, this was then dropped to $1200 ... depends on the structuring of the health system and how its funded as to the practicability of such.
Doesnt mean its not insurmountable of course, just a further additional challenge
They charge $100 for 1 tablet of paracetamol if you are admitted to hospital there..Doesnt mean its not insurmountable of course, just a further additional challenge
The real costs when done in mass and not privately would probably be much lower than the 15euros/each , perhaps 4-5 .
Everyone (including the government) should be kicked in butt and told to stop f
king around and take it seriously, ramp up the testing considerably and test everyone who needs it , actually shut the schools for EVERYONE and Shops forced to implement forced distancing/barriers to protect the cashiers/staff.There's no way around it other than taking drastic measures like every country in Europe/World is doing it if you don't want to Loose your Parents/Grandparents!
RDMcG said:
At some point this outbreak will end. Let’s say three months.
What I do not understand is how behaviours will change. Will people suddenly return to crowded venues ? Will parents be comfortable sending the kids back to school? Ready to rebook that cruise on a giant ship, or cram like sardines on Ryanair to Barcelona ?
Also how long wil it be for people to start spending? There is great financial damage and I very much doubt that we will quickly revert to the same as before.
I think the new normal will be most people back out working and shopping but with better manners than before and an increased focus on saving as many who have been able to save have been choosing not to. What I do not understand is how behaviours will change. Will people suddenly return to crowded venues ? Will parents be comfortable sending the kids back to school? Ready to rebook that cruise on a giant ship, or cram like sardines on Ryanair to Barcelona ?
Also how long wil it be for people to start spending? There is great financial damage and I very much doubt that we will quickly revert to the same as before.
I have a feeling that health may also face an evolution as more people come to terms with being a little bit healthier as being a very good way to help stave off a serious C19 related infection.
Certain activities and venues will change forever. It only takes a modest drop in attendance or spending for that to happen. 10% fewer people travelling, going to shopping centres or events manifestly makes their pre C19 business models redundant.
By far the largest social change will be among the retired. Very many will permanently change their habits and spending as they will remain the single most at risk group year on year going forward.
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