Should a nurse with PhD refer to themselves as a Dr.?
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As per title really, should a nurse who has a PhD call themselves a Dr. XYZ, or is that highly misleading and should they be calling themselves a PhD XYZ?
Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
OlonMusky said:
As per title really, should a nurse who has a PhD call themselves a Dr. XYZ, or is that highly misleading and should they be calling themselves a PhD XYZ?
Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
A Phd is a doctorate, an MD is an honorary phd lol they have more right to call themselves Dr than a Dr(md), so long as they are not claiming to be a medical doctor.Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
RobDickinson said:
OlonMusky said:
As per title really, should a nurse who has a PhD call themselves a Dr. XYZ, or is that highly misleading and should they be calling themselves a PhD XYZ?
Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
A Phd is a doctorate, an MD is an honorary phd lol they have more right to call themselves Dr than a Dr(md), so long as they are not claiming to be a medical doctor.Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
timbo999 said:
Doctor is a title that is bestowed on people who have a doctorate whether of medicine or philosophy... you're confusing that with the role commonly described as a doctor.
OK, so to you if someone introduced themselves in writing as Dr. ABC (and it was in a medical context) you'd read that as doctorate rather than a doctor? I'm trying to understand that maybe, perhaps I'm wrong, which is likely!scenario8 said:
Is this important somehow or somewhere? I can imagine posters on stethoscopeheads getting very animated over the question but more generally shouldn’t this question receive the standard “don’t worry about it, mate” response?
Aye, good question. The rise of covid gave rise to some wannabe medical authorities and sheep as sheep tend to do, see a title and assume that one has certain qualifications based on what one decided to refer themselves to. I myself was a bit surprised - after a week of following one such example - to find out that that example is in fact a nurse teacher. Well colour me surprised! What's more I'm from a family of doctors and nurses hence it is a bit of a situation that feels uncomfortable to say the least.
OlonMusky said:
As per title really, should a nurse who has a PhD call themselves a Dr. XYZ, or is that highly misleading and should they be calling themselves a PhD XYZ?
Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
If you're having a pop at John Campbell, then I'd suggest you're probably better advised listening to what he has to say, based on his experience, rather than getting your little knickers in a twist about his PhD.Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
OlonMusky said:
timbo999 said:
Doctor is a title that is bestowed on people who have a doctorate whether of medicine or philosophy... you're confusing that with the role commonly described as a doctor.
OK, so to you if someone introduced themselves in writing as Dr. ABC (and it was in a medical context) you'd read that as doctorate rather than a doctor? I'm trying to understand that maybe, perhaps I'm wrong, which is likely!eharding said:
OlonMusky said:
As per title really, should a nurse who has a PhD call themselves a Dr. XYZ, or is that highly misleading and should they be calling themselves a PhD XYZ?
Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
If you're having a pop at John Campbell, then I'd suggest you're probably better advised listening to what he has to say, based on his experience, rather than getting your little knickers in a twist about his PhD.Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
OlonMusky said:
Just to be clear, I use MD reference there as a professional degree in medicine. I.e. a nurse would be a nurse XYZ and a doctor would be a Dr. XYZ. E.g. "nurse bring me that catheter please, yes I know you have a PhD but I'm a doctor here".
Off topic (ish)Which reminds of similar w
ky doctor behaviour decades ago, a colleague at the time was as a drugs rep talking to a bunch of doctors about an epilepsy medication. One of the drs (in a PH dominate the stairs style) then says 'and just what qualifications do you have to talk to us about this'. TBH not a hugely unreasonable question, but his manner and previous behaviour showed him to be quite a dick.
By chance the lady giving the talk was able to reply "would a PhD in Neuropharmacology suffice?" . The lead dr there pissed himself and said "well that's shut you up"
Made me smile remembering
OlonMusky said:
scenario8 said:
Is this important somehow or somewhere? I can imagine posters on stethoscopeheads getting very animated over the question but more generally shouldn’t this question receive the standard “don’t worry about it, mate” response?
Aye, good question. The rise of covid gave rise to some wannabe medical authorities and sheep as sheep tend to do, see a title and assume that one has certain qualifications based on what one decided to refer themselves to. I myself was a bit surprised - after a week of following one such example - to find out that that example is in fact a nurse teacher. Well colour me surprised! What's more I'm from a family of doctors and nurses hence it is a bit of a situation that feels uncomfortable to say the least.
ts about the same thing. There are far more important matters to him. But I can imagine him being vexed we’re a gas fitter to refer to himself as an engineer in the context of building bridges and the like.Generally in life I fall into the “don’t worry about it” camp in most topics other people find contentious. This laid back approach to life may in part explain why I’m not chartered in anything.
OlonMusky said:
eharding said:
OlonMusky said:
As per title really, should a nurse who has a PhD call themselves a Dr. XYZ, or is that highly misleading and should they be calling themselves a PhD XYZ?
Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
If you're having a pop at John Campbell, then I'd suggest you're probably better advised listening to what he has to say, based on his experience, rather than getting your little knickers in a twist about his PhD.Majority would understand Dr. as an MD rather than a PhD but a nurse even one who holds a PhD is not an MD i.e. Dr. i.e. doctor who should give medical advice. Am I wrong or am I wrong?
The first thing I did after seeing one of his videos for the first time was Google the name to look at the provenance. The fact his background came as a surprise to you after a period of time is more of a reflection on your own ability than anything else.
Now, go and wash your hands, as the good Doctor advises.
OlonMusky said:
InitialDave said:
Calling yourself a doctor in a medical environment if you're not a medical doctor seems ripe for causing confusion, so probably best avoided.
Spot on. That's exactly my point.wsurfa said:
OlonMusky said:
Just to be clear, I use MD reference there as a professional degree in medicine. I.e. a nurse would be a nurse XYZ and a doctor would be a Dr. XYZ. E.g. "nurse bring me that catheter please, yes I know you have a PhD but I'm a doctor here".
Off topic (ish)Which reminds of similar w
ky doctor behaviour decades ago, a colleague at the time was as a drugs rep talking to a bunch of doctors about an epilepsy medication. One of the drs (in a PH dominate the stairs style) then says 'and just what qualifications do you have to talk to us about this'. TBH not a hugely unreasonable question, but his manner and previous behaviour showed him to be quite a dick.
By chance the lady giving the talk was able to reply "would a PhD in Neuropharmacology suffice?" . The lead dr there pissed himself and said "well that's shut you up"
Made me smile remembering
So a PhD carries much less weight than a doctor who's a doctor.
This discussion actually reminded me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoe24aSvLtw
aaaaand doctor!
eharding said:
He's been bang on the money about this thing right from the start.
It wasn't really that difficult not to be right about this thing. There were many real doctors who predicted this the moment it kicked off.eharding said:
Now, go and wash your hands, as the good Doctor advises.
A nurse you mean? And yeas, my parents taught me how to wash hands.scenario8 said:
My Dad’s a very retired engineer. He hates British Gas employees (or similar) being referred to as engineers. My brother is a chartered engineer also. He gives no sts about the same thing. There are far more important matters to him. But I can imagine him being vexed we’re a gas fitter to refer to himself as an engineer in the context of building bridges and the like.
That's a good example too... A typical main dealer mechanic (aka a part swapper) is referred to as engineer. That's an insult to engineers and engineering degree. ts about the same thing. There are far more important matters to him. But I can imagine him being vexed we’re a gas fitter to refer to himself as an engineer in the context of building bridges and the like.Hopefully a typical nurse will never be called a doctor, hence why this thread.
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