The time has unfortunately come..
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I'm a middle aged guy who's lived in London since birth.
The last ten years have passed in swift order. As they say, the weeks are long but the months are short.
I love this country (or loved) and considered it the best in the world for so many reasons. However I now no longer recognise it or subscribe to what it now represents. There are now so many things here that I cannot abide.
I do not have a partner at the moment and have no kids. However I would like a child. There is no way I would allow my offspring to be educated by a system that I consider utterly toxic.
In my youth I was more than happy to work and pay my fair share of tax for the common good. Now that I resent how the country has gone I do not want any of my taxes supporting a society that I have pretty much nothing in common with or approve of. These last few weeks of Covid et al have been the final straw for me and the camel's back is broken.
I won't list what has gone wrong because anyone with half a brain will know. In my opinion the government are not fit for purpose and much of the civil service has been infiltrated.
So the time has come for me to leave. Or at least set up a bolt hole overseas as a retreat. I've just sold a couple of classic cars and have enough liquidity to buy a property outside of the EU. I can report that the classic car market remains bullish despite the naysayers trying to talk it down.
So... I'm wondering if anyone else is singing from the same hymn sheet? Where are you thinking of going?
The eastern side of the Adriatic looks pretty tempting. The countries along that coast had a good few years of Communism and it would seem unlikely that they would allow it to ever rear its ugly head again.
The last ten years have passed in swift order. As they say, the weeks are long but the months are short.
I love this country (or loved) and considered it the best in the world for so many reasons. However I now no longer recognise it or subscribe to what it now represents. There are now so many things here that I cannot abide.
I do not have a partner at the moment and have no kids. However I would like a child. There is no way I would allow my offspring to be educated by a system that I consider utterly toxic.
In my youth I was more than happy to work and pay my fair share of tax for the common good. Now that I resent how the country has gone I do not want any of my taxes supporting a society that I have pretty much nothing in common with or approve of. These last few weeks of Covid et al have been the final straw for me and the camel's back is broken.
I won't list what has gone wrong because anyone with half a brain will know. In my opinion the government are not fit for purpose and much of the civil service has been infiltrated.
So the time has come for me to leave. Or at least set up a bolt hole overseas as a retreat. I've just sold a couple of classic cars and have enough liquidity to buy a property outside of the EU. I can report that the classic car market remains bullish despite the naysayers trying to talk it down.
So... I'm wondering if anyone else is singing from the same hymn sheet? Where are you thinking of going?
The eastern side of the Adriatic looks pretty tempting. The countries along that coast had a good few years of Communism and it would seem unlikely that they would allow it to ever rear its ugly head again.
W11PEL said:
I'm a middle aged guy who's lived in London since birth.
The last ten years have passed in swift order. As they say, the weeks are long but the months are short.
I love this country (or loved) and considered it the best in the world for so many reasons. However I now no longer recognise it or subscribe to what it now represents. There are now so many things here that I cannot abide.
I do not have a partner at the moment and have no kids. However I would like a child. There is no way I would allow my offspring to be educated by a system that I consider utterly toxic.
In my youth I was more than happy to work and pay my fair share of tax for the common good. Now that I resent how the country has gone I do not want any of my taxes supporting a society that I have pretty much nothing in common with or approve of. These last few weeks of Covid et al have been the final straw for me and the camel's back is broken.
I won't list what has gone wrong because anyone with half a brain will know. In my opinion the government are not fit for purpose and much of the civil service has been infiltrated.
So the time has come for me to leave. Or at least set up a bolt hole overseas as a retreat. I've just sold a couple of classic cars and have enough liquidity to buy a property outside of the EU. I can report that the classic car market remains bullish despite the naysayers trying to talk it down.
So... I'm wondering if anyone else is singing from the same hymn sheet? Where are you thinking of going?
The eastern side of the Adriatic looks pretty tempting. The countries along that coast had a good few years of Communism and it would seem unlikely that they would allow it to ever rear its ugly head again.
Buy a yacht and become free from any land based property, which can anchor you to all the political bullsThe last ten years have passed in swift order. As they say, the weeks are long but the months are short.
I love this country (or loved) and considered it the best in the world for so many reasons. However I now no longer recognise it or subscribe to what it now represents. There are now so many things here that I cannot abide.
I do not have a partner at the moment and have no kids. However I would like a child. There is no way I would allow my offspring to be educated by a system that I consider utterly toxic.
In my youth I was more than happy to work and pay my fair share of tax for the common good. Now that I resent how the country has gone I do not want any of my taxes supporting a society that I have pretty much nothing in common with or approve of. These last few weeks of Covid et al have been the final straw for me and the camel's back is broken.
I won't list what has gone wrong because anyone with half a brain will know. In my opinion the government are not fit for purpose and much of the civil service has been infiltrated.
So the time has come for me to leave. Or at least set up a bolt hole overseas as a retreat. I've just sold a couple of classic cars and have enough liquidity to buy a property outside of the EU. I can report that the classic car market remains bullish despite the naysayers trying to talk it down.
So... I'm wondering if anyone else is singing from the same hymn sheet? Where are you thinking of going?
The eastern side of the Adriatic looks pretty tempting. The countries along that coast had a good few years of Communism and it would seem unlikely that they would allow it to ever rear its ugly head again.
t, and join the millions around the world who live 'life' and are happy (most of the time!!). 
Of course, you need to be financially independent?
rsbmw said:
Fantasy land sounds nice, can we fly there yet?
If you redeem your conspiracy and fake news points it is quite affordable.edit: I post this as someone who does not currently live in the UK, no where is problem free. I am all for migration but I think people who really hate on the UK are not appreciating what they have.
Edited by gregs656 on Friday 19th June 18:24
W11PEL said:
I won't list what has gone wrong because anyone with half a brain will know. In my opinion the government are not fit for purpose and much of the civil service has been infiltrated.
I don't know what had gone wrong, so I must have a brain. Can you expand on what has gone wrong, and also which country would welcome you as an immigrant absed on what those things are? Would help narrow it down.Roofless Toothless said:
I hear Venezuela is very nice this time of the year.
My half a brain still tells me that to be born in Britain is winning the lottery of life.
I'm sure the Romans felt the same way... didn't stop the greatest empire in history from collapsing itself.My half a brain still tells me that to be born in Britain is winning the lottery of life.
The OP has a point.
The OP does make some points I tend to agree with around the government tax policies and treatment of the electorate. But on the flip side they have just paid a huge chuck of cash out to 30% of people to keep the wolf from the door.
Were I single without kids I would have left the UK 5 years ago when working in Singapore its not perfect but I preferred it. But wife an kids did not like it so you compromise.
Its up to the OP but I am sure for every downside he sees in the UK orhers might see an upside.
Were I single without kids I would have left the UK 5 years ago when working in Singapore its not perfect but I preferred it. But wife an kids did not like it so you compromise.
Its up to the OP but I am sure for every downside he sees in the UK orhers might see an upside.
W11PEL said:
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So the time has come for me to leave. Or at least set up a bolt hole overseas as a retreat.
Why not have the self-confidence to make the break permanent? So the time has come for me to leave. Or at least set up a bolt hole overseas as a retreat.
Is it the nagging feeling that one day you might run out of cash and then realise the Society that you currently think is so toxic will provide for you?
I went away on business 15 years ago for 2 weeks and have spent most of my time Since outside the UK. For me, anywhere and everywhere has its problems that become more apparent the longer you stay somewhere. For all its negatives, the UK is still home and it’s negatives are far fewer than most other places. The more I think about it, a small home base in the UK for summer with a reliable income stream to support a modest lifestyle travelling for the winters - maybe 6-8 months of the year - without getting tied down to anywhere in particular sounds great!
W11PEL said:
In my opinion the government are not fit for purpose
I can't disagree with you there at all. W11PEL said:
and much of the civil service has been infiltrated.
By what/whom? Foreign spies? W11PEL said:
Outside of the EU...The eastern side of the Adriatic looks pretty tempting. The countries along that coast had a good few years of Communism and it would seem unlikely that they would allow it to ever rear its ugly head again.
Eastern Adriatic, former Communist countries? Those would still be in Europe, no? Not EU - yet, but are candidates for membership and I would expect them to join in the not too distant future. Have only been to Croatia briefly and it was lovely, but clearly with a lot of work still to do.What do you perceive that you would gain my moving to one of them and what do you perceive that you have lost here in the UK?
The Slavic languages are tricky as hell too, having the spent lockdown learning Polish. Will you learn the language of your new adoptive nation to integrate better? Or are you more like the Brits that emigrated to the Costas twenty years ago and still can't manage a full sentence of Spanish?
I'd go further afield to NZ as I've a lot more experience there and the culture is similar to here, but a bit more progressive in many ways, not shackled by its own history and weird sense of nostalgia for an age that never really was.
Why not sell up, stick the cash in the bank and spend a couple of years travelling the world and try a few countries out for a few months at a time until you find the best - mutual - fit? That's what I'd likely do without any ties here and may yet come to pass.
Imad said:
I went away on business 15 years ago for 2 weeks and have spent most of my time Since outside the UK. For me, anywhere and everywhere has its problems that become more apparent the longer you stay somewhere. For all its negatives, the UK is still home and it’s negatives are far fewer than most other places. The more I think about it, a small home base in the UK for summer with a reliable income stream to support a modest lifestyle travelling for the winters - maybe 6-8 months of the year - without getting tied down to anywhere in particular sounds great!
I think this is an excellent answer. The home I currently have with a modest place in the Caribbean does it for me.
Countdown said:
W11PEL said:
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So the time has come for me to leave. Or at least set up a bolt hole overseas as a retreat.
Why not have the self-confidence to make the break permanent? So the time has come for me to leave. Or at least set up a bolt hole overseas as a retreat.
Is it the nagging feeling that one day you might run out of cash and then realise the Society that you currently think is so toxic will provide for you?
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