Faith school discriminate against non-faith intake?
Faith school discriminate against non-faith intake?
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TheLuke

2,218 posts

170 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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It would be cruel to put an atheist in a faith school.

The poor faith kids.

TwigtheWonderkid

49,040 posts

179 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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anonymous said:
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Yes. Schools have a acceptance priority list, and most faith schools rank children of parents of the wrong faith ahead of the children of atheists.

98elise

32,572 posts

190 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
anonymous said:
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Yes. Schools have a acceptance priority list, and most faith schools rank children of parents of the wrong faith ahead of the children of atheists.
So discrimination then? Why are state schools penalising some children just because their parents don't worship a deity?

Faith and access to education should be two separate things.


Gecko1978

12,302 posts

186 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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Faith schools get there money in part from the religious groups they are affiliated to. Also when selecting second tier intake children with any faith would probably find the environment better than children with no faith. In this case I would say discrimination might not actually be negative.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

79 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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I don't believe that there is a big invisible man who lives in the sky and that it's normal to go to a special building at least once a week to listen to someone dressed up in a costume, talking to that invisible man, and even encouraging the audience of this show to sing to the invisible man and give him money.
For this disbelief I'm called an atheist.
I don't believe that Elvis is still alive or that aliens built the pyramids, but in those cases I don't get a special title for my disbelief.
But I once used to believe in an invisible man, until one day my Mum broke my little heart by telling me that Santa Clause wasn't real. When I finally accepted this as fact, she gave me a title which I cherish to this day. She called me a grown up.


talksthetorque

10,821 posts

164 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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People lie about their addresses ( lives with Grandma etc) to get their kids in the right school.

They can't exactly check with God/Jehovah/Allah/Buddha/vishnu if a child is religeous or atheist.

And the bonus about lieing when you're an atheist is that you won't go to hell!

bigandclever

14,355 posts

267 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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I’ve got a feeling that faith schools have an exemption from the Equality Act that allows them to legally discriminate based on religion. Or non-religion, of course. It’ll be down to the individual school’s admissions policy as to how obvious it is, but it wouldn’t surprise me if they tend to go ..
1. our faith
2. any other faith
3. no faith

otolith

68,773 posts

233 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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I think faith schools should be allowed to discriminate on faith.

I also think they shouldn't get a penny of public money.

gregs656

12,353 posts

210 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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talksthetorque said:
People lie about their addresses ( lives with Grandma etc) to get their kids in the right school.

They can't exactly check with God/Jehovah/Allah/Buddha/vishnu if a child is religeous or atheist.

And the bonus about lieing when you're an atheist is that you won't go to hell!
They check with local churches.

crofty1984

17,064 posts

233 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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gregs656 said:
talksthetorque said:
People lie about their addresses ( lives with Grandma etc) to get their kids in the right school.

They can't exactly check with God/Jehovah/Allah/Buddha/vishnu if a child is religeous or atheist.

And the bonus about lieing when you're an atheist is that you won't go to hell!
They check with local churches.
True.

Glosphil

4,880 posts

263 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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People talk about young children being Muslim, Catholic, CofE, etc. They are not; they are children of Muslim, Catholic, CofE, etc. parents. Not the same thing.

Dixy

3,646 posts

234 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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It is astounding that it is illegal to discriminate against someone for having an imaginary friend but legal to discriminate against someone for being sane.

xeny

5,470 posts

107 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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gregs656 said:
They check with local churches.
Isn't that a GDPR issue and you can refuse consent?

98elise

32,572 posts

190 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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Glosphil said:
People talk about young children being Muslim, Catholic, CofE, etc. They are not; they are children of Muslim, Catholic, CofE, etc. parents. Not the same thing.
Agreed. At what age does a child make a choice about their religion? A age 5 my kids had no concept of religion let alone making a choice.

s1962a

7,691 posts

191 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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NMNeil said:
I don't believe that there is a big invisible man who lives in the sky and that it's normal to go to a special building at least once a week to listen to someone dressed up in a costume, talking to that invisible man, and even encouraging the audience of this show to sing to the invisible man and give him money.
For this disbelief I'm called an atheist.
I don't believe that Elvis is still alive or that aliens built the pyramids, but in those cases I don't get a special title for my disbelief.
But I once used to believe in an invisible man, until one day my Mum broke my little heart by telling me that Santa Clause wasn't real. When I finally accepted this as fact, she gave me a title which I cherish to this day. She called me a grown up.
Why would you want to send your child to a faith based school then? Good education or not.

NMNeil

5,860 posts

79 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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s1962a said:
Why would you want to send your child to a faith based school then? Good education or not.
I have no children, but if I did I would want them to be educated with facts, not brainwashed into believing in myths.

s1962a

7,691 posts

191 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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NMNeil said:
s1962a said:
Why would you want to send your child to a faith based school then? Good education or not.
I have no children, but if I did I would want them to be educated with facts, not brainwashed into believing in myths.
Thats what I mean. I see whats happened here - I thought you were advocating sending kids to a faith based school - being an athiest - rather than just explaining that you are an athiest. Oops laugh

Obviously a faith based school will have an element of faith teaching as well as the core subjects.


gregs656

12,353 posts

210 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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xeny said:
Isn't that a GDPR issue and you can refuse consent?
No idea. That’s how it works though.

valiant

14,163 posts

189 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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xeny said:
gregs656 said:
They check with local churches.
Isn't that a GDPR issue and you can refuse consent?
Not quite, the parent must obtain proof of church attendance to provide to the school. Usually a headed and embossed letter from the parish priest will suffice.

kambites

71,465 posts

250 months

Friday 30th April 2021
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s1962a said:
Obviously a faith based school will have an element of faith teaching as well as the core subjects.
All schools have an element of faith teaching - it's part of the national circulum. We looked into this closely as of our two nearest primary schools, one was CofE and one was non-faith and if anything the faith school had less compulsory religious teaching than the non-faith one; probably because faith schools have been burned in the past for pushing too far the other way.