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Frenchda

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1,343 posts

262 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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So at 0900.01 today I pressed the button and joined the queue for Louis Tomlinson tickets at Wembley Arena next year. My two teenage daughters are big fans (and although I say this shamefully - the One D guys have actually matured into good musicians)

Got through to payment - crashed! Try again and now none available, unless you want to buy from other fan sites at £300 a ticket on a £32 face value.

Really hate this - and it really should be stopped - they should be for fans and not for resale.


cobra kid

5,588 posts

269 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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They go to real fans......just rich ones sadly.

Mafffew

2,149 posts

140 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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It should be stopped, but who is going to stop it? The artists don't care, the event organisers don't care, they all get paid regardless.

It isn't just limited to event tickets. Sneakers, trading cards, games consoles, graphics cards all spring to mind as being scalped/flipped for a quick buck.

Frenchda

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1,343 posts

262 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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So true.

It should be relatively easy to stop, if you cannot make the concert your tickets are refunded and go back on sale - there is always a big queue for big events.

The Artist does not make anything out of it so I am surprised they are not doing something about it.

cobra kid

5,588 posts

269 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Frenchda said:
So true.

It should be relatively easy to stop, if you cannot make the concert your tickets are refunded and go back on sale - there is always a big queue for big events.

The Artist does not make anything out of it so I am surprised they are not doing something about it.
They've got their bit, which after all is the only reason for doing it.

alorotom

12,782 posts

216 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Frenchda said:
So at 0900.01 today I pressed the button and joined the queue for Louis Tomlinson tickets at Wembley Arena next year. My two teenage daughters are big fans (and although I say this shamefully - the One D guys have actually matured into good musicians)

Got through to payment - crashed! Try again and now none available, unless you want to buy from other fan sites at £300 a ticket on a £32 face value.

Really hate this - and it really should be stopped - they should be for fans and not for resale.
With the outdoor concerts last year in Newcastle run by Virgin all ticket purchasers had to present and attend themselves with a valid form of photo-ID to stop reselling / scalping

Seemed to be very effective and the tickets didn't sell out super-fast because of this - that was across a mix of music, comedian and other performers too.

StevieBee

15,313 posts

284 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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cobra kid said:
Frenchda said:
So true.

It should be relatively easy to stop, if you cannot make the concert your tickets are refunded and go back on sale - there is always a big queue for big events.

The Artist does not make anything out of it so I am surprised they are not doing something about it.
They've got their bit, which after all is the only reason for doing it.
It's wrong to say that the artists don't care. Many have been trying to actively change things but have surprisingly little power to do so, such is the might of control promotors have on venues. Tours are sold to promotors who book the venues and sell the tickets to recoup their investment in the tour (or event). Because the venues are reliant upon promotors for their revenue, the promotors are able exert controls on venues that prevent other promotors (including the artists themselves) from booking directly. So even the big bands like U2 couldn't book a tour without a promotor other than for venues that would be way too small. And because touring is the primary source of revenue for most bans these days, they are less inclined to bite the hand that feeds them.

Add to this that promotors own venues, ticket agencies and resell agencies, it all makes Bernie Ecclestone's past management of F1 look positively generous and transparent.



Frenchda

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1,343 posts

262 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Ed Sheeran managed it - 2018 though.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-4419...

malks222

2,291 posts

168 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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StevieBee said:
cobra kid said:
Frenchda said:
So true.

It should be relatively easy to stop, if you cannot make the concert your tickets are refunded and go back on sale - there is always a big queue for big events.

The Artist does not make anything out of it so I am surprised they are not doing something about it.
They've got their bit, which after all is the only reason for doing it.
It's wrong to say that the artists don't care. Many have been trying to actively change things but have surprisingly little power to do so, such is the might of control promotors have on venues. Tours are sold to promotors who book the venues and sell the tickets to recoup their investment in the tour (or event). Because the venues are reliant upon promotors for their revenue, the promotors are able exert controls on venues that prevent other promotors (including the artists themselves) from booking directly. So even the big bands like U2 couldn't book a tour without a promotor other than for venues that would be way too small. And because touring is the primary source of revenue for most bans these days, they are less inclined to bite the hand that feeds them.

Add to this that promotors own venues, ticket agencies and resell agencies, it all makes Bernie Ecclestone's past management of F1 look positively generous and transparent.
also add into the mix all the different ‘pre-sale’ and VIP packages that now get added on and there’s actually not that many tickets go on sale to the general public when the ‘release’ them. 10% to band ‘presale’, 10% to ‘amex exclusive’, 5% to promotor/ record label hand out/ guests etc..... 10% to ‘meet and greet vip package’ and suddenly your down 65% of tickets only available for general public release

not to mention how many people would actually be trying to get tickets in the first place.

dont get me wrong, it’s crap and I get annoyed when trying to get tickets for big gigs, it just seems to be the way of it these days.

Psycho Warren

3,087 posts

142 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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As already said, easily stoppable with making them named tickets with an ID requirement for admission.

Goes on with so many other things now with scalpers trying for a fast buck. I buy a lot of lego, to build and play with it, but the "investors" and speculators are now driving the prices up on so many of the models. To try and reduce this, lego often have purchase limits to stop people buying loads of the same model.

I'm all for people making a fair profit for a decent days work but many take the piss nowadays. Joys of capitalism sadly.

TEKNOPUG

20,468 posts

234 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Simple supply and demand. Tickets are clearly too cheap in the first place if people are able to flip them quickly for a big profit. I'm surprised that promoters don't simply operate an auction or sealed bids. Highest 10,000 get a ticket.

Frenchda

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1,343 posts

262 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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TEKNOPUG said:
Simple supply and demand. Tickets are clearly too cheap in the first place if people are able to flip them quickly for a big profit. I'm surprised that promoters don't simply operate an auction or sealed bids. Highest 10,000 get a ticket.
To a certain degree yes, have no issues at not getting ticket's but I do get annoyed that 10 mins later they are everywhere at 8 x face value. Clever buyers with bots etc will scoop up a good percentage of tickets just to earn a turn. I understand economics as well, but when you price out the fans not lucky enough to get tickets then its just a shame. I am passionate about live music, as my girls are, and this "scalping" is just so normal now.

I am so annoyed I actually tweeted @louis_tomlinson registering my displeasure, that'll teach him!

KAgantua

5,165 posts

160 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Same with limited edition vinyl records/ reissues. They all go, then up on Discogs three times the price. Annoying.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

272 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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This hasn't happened to trackdays, but there was talk lately that it could have actually happened right now.
They're all booked up for maybe 3 months and you could theoretically sell your place on for more than you paid.

purplepolarbear

487 posts

203 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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I don't understand why concert tickets can't be sold in the same way as flight tickets - when they go on sale initially,a price is set at the amount they think is the highest amount that they can get away with that will just fill the venue. If they are more popular than expected, the price increases and if less popular the price decreases, and this is readjusted all the time until the concert date.


anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Make it your name is on the ticket , maximum 2 purchases and you have to show the card as proof of purchase/ id at the door ?

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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TEKNOPUG said:
Simple supply and demand. Tickets are clearly too cheap in the first place if people are able to flip them quickly for a big profit. I'm surprised that promoters don't simply operate an auction or sealed bids. Highest 10,000 get a ticket.
From ‘The Apprentice’ school of business.

It’s not true supply and demand at all. A scalper buying thousands of tickets to create artificial scarcity is not ‘supply and demand.’

AJB88

15,758 posts

200 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Iwantafusca said:
Make it your name is on the ticket , maximum 2 purchases and you have to show the card as proof of purchase/ id at the door ?
I go a lot of gigs, we went to Kasabian in London a few years ago and this was the process, worked well.

Roofless Toothless

7,567 posts

161 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Psycho Warren said:
As already said, easily stoppable with making them named tickets with an ID requirement for admission.

Goes on with so many other things now with scalpers trying for a fast buck. I buy a lot of lego, to build and play with it, but the "investors" and speculators are now driving the prices up on so many of the models. To try and reduce this, lego often have purchase limits to stop people buying loads of the same model.

I'm all for people making a fair profit for a decent days work but many take the piss nowadays. Joys of capitalism sadly.
You could use your Covid vaccination card. wink

The irony is that if you have parked in a car park, it is probably against the rules to pass on your ticket to someone else - non transferable. Why doesn't the same apply to the ticket for the show?

vaud

59,403 posts

184 months

Friday 14th May 2021
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Roofless Toothless said:
You could use your Covid vaccination card. wink

The irony is that if you have parked in a car park, it is probably against the rules to pass on your ticket to someone else - non transferable. Why doesn't the same apply to the ticket for the show?
Because with a car park I think the argument is that you are depriving the owner of further payment (ie.. the next person would have gone and paid for a new ticket)?