Ebay non delivery ?
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J4CKO

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46,821 posts

229 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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Sold some suspension bushes on eBay, £100 plus £10 delivery.

Sent them so they were signed for, have this saying they were delivered and signed for,

https://www.royalmail.com/track-your-item#/trackin...


Buyer says they havent arrived, not sure if I am being played here, suppose they could have been dropped off and the delivery driver scribbled a signature.

Am on the verge of just refunding to avoid the agro but where do I stand here, I have a signature and a time of delivery, to the address provided. Dont want to just cave and refund if I can avoid it.

Louis Balfour

28,176 posts

251 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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J4CKO said:
Sold some suspension bushes on eBay, £100 plus £10 delivery.

Sent them so they were signed for, have this saying they were delivered and signed for,

https://www.royalmail.com/track-your-item#/trackin...


Buyer says they havent arrived, not sure if I am being played here, suppose they could have been dropped off and the delivery driver scribbled a signature.

Am on the verge of just refunding to avoid the agro but where do I stand here, I have a signature and a time of delivery, to the address provided. Dont want to just cave and refund if I can avoid it.
Have you forwarded the buyer a copy of that?

J4CKO

Original Poster:

46,821 posts

229 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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Louis Balfour said:
J4CKO said:
Sold some suspension bushes on eBay, £100 plus £10 delivery.

Sent them so they were signed for, have this saying they were delivered and signed for,

https://www.royalmail.com/track-your-item#/trackin...


Buyer says they havent arrived, not sure if I am being played here, suppose they could have been dropped off and the delivery driver scribbled a signature.

Am on the verge of just refunding to avoid the agro but where do I stand here, I have a signature and a time of delivery, to the address provided. Dont want to just cave and refund if I can avoid it.
Have you forwarded the buyer a copy of that?
Yes, still says its not arrived.

Not sure what to do next really.

Jamescrs

6,367 posts

94 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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They should escalate the case to ebay if they haven't already and open an item.not received case. If you provide ebay with the tracking data ebay will back you and close the case in your favour.

That being said they could still try and pursue a further claim via PayPal or their credit card/ bank if they are.motivated to

J4CKO

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46,821 posts

229 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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Jamescrs said:
They should escalate the case to ebay if they haven't already and open an item.not received case. If you provide ebay with the tracking data ebay will back you and close the case in your favour.

That being said they could still try and pursue a further claim via PayPal or their credit card/ bank if they are.motivated to
Hmm, dont want to do anyone out of money but might try that, equally it doesnt add up it was delivered and signed for but he says he hasnt got it.

Annoying as the parts cost £200 plus, only got £100 for them and then looks like will lose that !




Driver101

14,451 posts

150 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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I didn't think anyone was signing for parcels? I've not been asked to sign for a parcel since the start of Covid. Often the courier or Royal Mail will have taken a picture at the open door of my house to prove delivery.

Contact Royal Mail and make sure they have delivered it to the correct address. I'm told their machines log location when a parcel is marked as delivered.

oakdale

1,996 posts

231 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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Was the postage label printed and tracked through the ebay system?

mgtony

4,211 posts

219 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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Was Ongar as shown on the tracking details the correct area for the delivery? Has RR as the 'signed by' name, possibly a business in that location?
I presume you've asked the buyer to check with all his neighbours whether they've taken it for him and the postman not left a card?

Pinkie15

1,248 posts

109 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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Driver101 said:
I didn't think anyone was signing for parcels? I've not been asked to sign for a parcel since the start of Covid. Often the courier or Royal Mail will have taken a picture at the open door of my house to prove delivery.

Contact Royal Mail and make sure they have delivered it to the correct address. I'm told their machines log location when a parcel is marked as delivered.
It seems RM have started signatures again as I had to actually sign the machine for a delivery on Wenesday.

DPD still not though, parcel delivered today and guy said DPD require a photo in front of open house door as proof of delivery

Driver101

14,451 posts

150 months

Sunday 24th April 2022
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Pinkie15 said:
Driver101 said:
I didn't think anyone was signing for parcels? I've not been asked to sign for a parcel since the start of Covid. Often the courier or Royal Mail will have taken a picture at the open door of my house to prove delivery.

Contact Royal Mail and make sure they have delivered it to the correct address. I'm told their machines log location when a parcel is marked as delivered.
It seems RM have started signatures again as I had to actually sign the machine for a delivery on Wenesday.

DPD still not though, parcel delivered today and guy said DPD require a photo in front of open house door as proof of delivery
Speaking to my postman the other week he was still taking photographs. He was saying taking photos had turned out to be the most effective thing they have ever done. The amount of parcels going missing is now tiny. The camera also logs location of delivery. If it works as well as he says then I'd be happy to stick with it.

jdw100

5,488 posts

193 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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Driver101 said:
Pinkie15 said:
Driver101 said:
I didn't think anyone was signing for parcels? I've not been asked to sign for a parcel since the start of Covid. Often the courier or Royal Mail will have taken a picture at the open door of my house to prove delivery.

Contact Royal Mail and make sure they have delivered it to the correct address. I'm told their machines log location when a parcel is marked as delivered.
It seems RM have started signatures again as I had to actually sign the machine for a delivery on Wenesday.

DPD still not though, parcel delivered today and guy said DPD require a photo in front of open house door as proof of delivery
Speaking to my postman the other week he was still taking photographs. He was saying taking photos had turned out to be the most effective thing they have ever done. The amount of parcels going missing is now tiny. The camera also logs location of delivery. If it works as well as he says then I'd be happy to stick with it.
Been doing that here for a few years now.

Even with GoSend - motorbike delivery service. My wife and her friends are often sending each other food. GoSend guys take photo with recipient.

Any courier packages, internal or overseas as well.

I was sent some legal docs from a notary last week - photo on delivery.

In five years - I've had one package lost. Some cheap replacement sunglass lenses.

(In UK I had a watch stolen in such an obvious manner by the courier and it took to the seller (in Germany) a hell of a time and effort to get money from courier/insurance.)

I think it is part of the delivery app/process - needs a photo to show completed delivery: as they are happy to leave packages with our maid; taking her photo.

To be clear this is not a photo of the house - which proves nothing - its photo of the person receiving the package.

anonymoususer

8,430 posts

77 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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The buyer can escalate the case. In the meantime you can open a case up with Royal Mail
I can't remember what they call it but its effectively a contested delivery case.
I had to do one around a year ago and it turned out delivery had been made to an incorrect address - 2 streets with similar names opposite ends of town
Fortunately it was resolved amicably as the actual recipient took it round to the intended recipient

The buyer did leave negative feedback and I had it removed

gotoPzero

20,676 posts

218 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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Domestic or business address?

If domestic I would think they are trying to have one over on you - so long as its not Flat 348G, 100 Market St... IYSWIM.

If it was a business address the its a free for all.

We have had parcels delivered (by Royal Mail) to businesses not even on our street. Its quite common for them to just fly round in their vans throwing parcels out and getting stuff wrong. We often get stuff for neighbouring businesses.

I am on first name terms with a scaffolding firm about 200 yards away on the next street over as we regularly get their stuff and they get ours.

TimmyMallett

3,190 posts

141 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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I has this recently. Long story short, although I used Signed For so Ebay would have found in my favour, which is crap for the buyer as he was adamant it didn't turn up....and it hadn't, I'd transposed the numbers on the house number, so it go delivered to the wrong house. However the postie had recorded the recipients name as the one on the letter and scribbled their initials as a signature. AND the transposed house number didn't exists, so the postie just delivered it to the 'closest match' and lied about the recipient.


So 2 things, check on the receipt that the house number definitely matches, and then log a complaint and get the PO to raise a ticket for lost mail.

Spare tyre

12,546 posts

159 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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TimmyMallett said:
I has this recently. Long story short, although I used Signed For so Ebay would have found in my favour, which is crap for the buyer as he was adamant it didn't turn up....and it hadn't, I'd transposed the numbers on the house number, so it go delivered to the wrong house. However the postie had recorded the recipients name as the one on the letter and scribbled their initials as a signature. AND the transposed house number didn't exists, so the postie just delivered it to the 'closest match' and lied about the recipient.


So 2 things, check on the receipt that the house number definitely matches, and then log a complaint and get the PO to raise a ticket for lost mail.
Had similar I live in long road and long lane is just up the road.

With certain couriers it always goes to the right number in the wrong road, of course signed for, which doesn’t help. Sometimes they bring stuff round, very poor, you’d think they’d have some sort of gps system that suggests to the courier they might be at the wrong address

TimmyMallett

3,190 posts

141 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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As mentioned ^ there, a lot of courier companies take pics.

Royal Mail seems like an antiquated bolt on service that hasn't caught up with the rest of the world.

Evoluzione

10,345 posts

272 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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TimmyMallett said:
As mentioned ^ there, a lot of courier companies take pics.

Royal Mail seems like an antiquated bolt on service that hasn't caught up with the rest of the world.
They aren't at all. They're the oldest in the business, totally up to date, take pictures and reliable.

When it comes to parcel services everyone has a different experience, but for us they provide a great service.

Edited by Evoluzione on Monday 25th April 11:21

TimmyMallett

3,190 posts

141 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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Evoluzione said:
They aren't at all. They're the oldest in the business, totally up to date, take pictures and reliable.

When it comes to parcel services everyone has a different experience, but for us they provide a great service.

Edited by Evoluzione on Monday 25th April 11:21
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one given my experience (probably about 40 items a year from/to ebay seller so not huge, but I certainly have about a 20% failure rate)

They don't take pictures (I asked them this last week when I queried the mis delivery issue)

You seem to have to take pot luck with either hoping your item will arrive, or pay them 'insurance' of Signed For for twice the price. Also, it's not tracked in any way until it gets delivered. That item, once it enters the system, has no event information as it makes it's way across the RM network that you have access to or that the RM can provide you so you, or they, have no idea where it went missing.

mickyh7

2,347 posts

115 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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Evoluzione said:
They aren't at all. They're the oldest in the business, totally up to date, take pictures and reliable.

When it comes to parcel services everyone has a different experience, but for us they provide a great service.

Edited by Evoluzione on Monday 25th April 11:21
Around here, to call Royal Mail st is doing them a favour!
Always getting neighbours post here.
Putting parcel cards through the door without knocking when we are in!
Absolutely hopeless, and years behind their competitors.

Muzzer79

13,042 posts

216 months

Monday 25th April 2022
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J4CKO said:
Sold some suspension bushes on eBay, £100 plus £10 delivery.

Sent them so they were signed for, have this saying they were delivered and signed for,

https://www.royalmail.com/track-your-item#/trackin...


Buyer says they havent arrived, not sure if I am being played here, suppose they could have been dropped off and the delivery driver scribbled a signature.

Am on the verge of just refunding to avoid the agro but where do I stand here, I have a signature and a time of delivery, to the address provided. Dont want to just cave and refund if I can avoid it.
The buyer claims it hasn't been delivered

You have produced a Proof of Delivery to prove that it has.

The buyer now needs to come up with a reason why your courier has proof of delivery and why it isn't valid.

Let them escalate it to eBay, you should win.