Right to buy
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tixoc

Original Poster:

69 posts

31 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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With the shortage of housing and the economic downturn, can someone explain how and why right to buy is still a thing?

Why do council tenants deserve the right to buy their rented properties at a discounted rate?
Why am I discriminated against getting a council property?
Why do benefits claimants get discounts and priority on council services over working people?

SydneyBridge

11,083 posts

182 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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All goes back to Mrs T wanting to encourage home ownership




Edited by SydneyBridge on Sunday 22 October 18:33

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47,706 posts

220 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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tixoc said:
With the shortage of housing and the economic downturn, can someone explain how and why right to buy is still a thing?

Why do council tenants deserve the right to buy their rented properties at a discounted rate?
Why am I discriminated against getting a council property?
Why do benefits claimants get discounts and priority on council services over working people?
1. It's a cretinous policy.
2. You're not discriminated against. You probably don't meet the priority criteria for social housing.
3. if they're claiming benefits it's unlikely they would be able to afford a house. They would need to have some kind of deposit and possibly a mortgage. if they're on benefits how would they save up the lump sum deposit and how would they meet the lending criteria.

Lo-Fi

1,281 posts

94 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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Isn't the discount 16 grand off market value these days? Or some such.

esuuv

1,407 posts

229 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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it's up to 70% off (96k max outside of London) - depending on length of tenancy - to get 70% it would need to be a very very long tenancy.

tixoc

Original Poster:

69 posts

31 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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Up to £127,000 discount in London.

Plenty of people have bought their houses/flats from the council. If they're on benefits, you tell me how they've saved up enough for the deposit...

xstian

2,182 posts

170 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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Very few get sold nowadays. People who were going to buy one would have already bought one by now. You can't get social housing property now, unless you're re practically homeless, so the chance of being eligible for a mortgage is very slim.

Another example of poor governance, where policy is made purely on what they think will gain votes rather what actually needs to be done.

Edited by xstian on Sunday 22 October 19:31

Spare tyre

12,119 posts

154 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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Bonkers system, you’d only assume they would sell stock that they don’t want. But why sell it below market rate?


tixoc

Original Poster:

69 posts

31 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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The worst part is, those scummy people who managed to buy their sthole council flats for peanuts 20 years ago get to sell them to Joe public for market rate. Those same flats are now on average around half a mil.

Europa Jon

643 posts

147 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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Maggie introduced the right to buy in order to get more votes. Letting Council tenants buy their home might have some egalitarian value, but forcing local authorities to sell their housing stock at way under market value is wrong, as they then have to try and replace it at full price. They don't do this in general, which is why the privately rented sector had mushroomed over the past few decades.

Tango13

9,885 posts

200 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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My parents bought their council house back around 1986 and still live in it to this day. Iirc part of their reasoning was not having to pay rent or claim benefits when they retired and to enable their pensions to go further.


xstian

2,182 posts

170 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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tixoc said:
The worst part is, those scummy people who managed to buy their sthole council flats for peanuts 20 years ago get to sell them to Joe public for market rate. Those same flats are now on average around half a mil.
Worse than that, councils are having to pay private landlords to rents the same houses back.

x5tuu

12,693 posts

211 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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Not particularly uncommon for landlords to approach people who are longterm tenants and offer to “lend” them the money to buy the property on the discounted rate and then let them live in it until they die, rent free, or peppercorn rent, with the contract that they take ownership when they die.

I’ve certainly known this in the NE. I did this for both my exMIL and exGMIL.


As to the system itself - No one in the system is discriminated against at all. It’s a priority based system.

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47,706 posts

220 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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x5tuu said:
Not particularly uncommon for landlords to approach people who are longterm tenants and offer to “lend” them the money to buy the property on the discounted rate and then let them live in it until they die, rent free, or peppercorn rent, with the contract that they take ownership when they die.

I’ve certainly known this in the NE. I did this for both my exMIL and exGMIL.
yes

Usually a close relative of the tenant, knowing that their relative is going to die soon, "helps" them buy the property so they can inherit it once the relative dies and benefit from the massive discount. It makes no difference to the tenant because previously their rent wa spaid by Housing Benefit anyway (although they are now responsible for their own R&M) . Councils and ALMOs are aware of this and one of the things they have tried to do is to put a 5-year buyback clause in RTB sales i.e. if the Buyer dies within 5 years the LA/ALM) has the right to buy back the property at the original sale price.

milu

2,495 posts

290 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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My dad moved into a council property in 1986 along with his second wife and her children.
He is still in it by himself. He could have bought it many times over.
However, due to his strict principles he wouldn’t. He has never agreed with the whole idea and believes they should be kept by local authorities for those who need them. Can’t say many folk would be that strict.
He has paid the highest rent due too because of his earning/pension.

Wasn’t a fan of Mrs T. Lol

Caddyshack

14,165 posts

230 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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esuuv said:
it's up to 70% off (96k max outside of London) - depending on length of tenancy - to get 70% it would need to be a very very long tenancy.
They also value their stock low so you actually get a much bigger discount.

mickk

30,196 posts

266 months

Sunday 22nd October 2023
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Aren't some councils buying them back now?