Cyclist vs HGV (in London). Who's in the wrong here?
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I hope that this won't degenerate into a b
hing session (yeah, right! Hope springs eternal though). Seems like a common London/city occurrence, but who is actually in the wrong here? Obviously the lorry driver has a 'duty of care' to smaller road-users (everyone), but then surely smaller road-users shouldn't put themselves at risk too (no to mention piss-poor positioning)?
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hing session (yeah, right! Hope springs eternal though). Seems like a common London/city occurrence, but who is actually in the wrong here? Obviously the lorry driver has a 'duty of care' to smaller road-users (everyone), but then surely smaller road-users shouldn't put themselves at risk too (no to mention piss-poor positioning)?https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZwcllgqm5m/?utm_so...
DodgyGeezer said:
I hope that this won't degenerate into a bhing session (yeah, right! Hope springs eternal though). Seems like a common London/city occurrence, but who is actually in the wrong here? Obviously the lorry driver has a 'duty of care' to smaller road-users (everyone), but then surely smaller road-users shouldn't put themselves at risk too (no to mention piss-poor positioning)?
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZwcllgqm5m/?utm_so...
Any cyclist going straight ahead from the left turn lane while that HGV was sitting there, is a moron. hing session (yeah, right! Hope springs eternal though). Seems like a common London/city occurrence, but who is actually in the wrong here? Obviously the lorry driver has a 'duty of care' to smaller road-users (everyone), but then surely smaller road-users shouldn't put themselves at risk too (no to mention piss-poor positioning)?https://www.instagram.com/reel/DZwcllgqm5m/?utm_so...
The cyclist is a dick. If a motorised vehicle did it it would be their fault.
They've changed the highway code so that it will now always be the larger vehicles fault regardless of what st the cyclist does, I've had to do multiple courses on it.
They now know this so they're doing even more stupid st than before, what they don't realise is that not everyone has been forced to do the courses so northerners who rarely drive in the city will still bounce them.
If that goes anywhere, which it will because they've got cameras and they're tts, it will be the drivers fault.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-cod...
They've changed the highway code so that it will now always be the larger vehicles fault regardless of what s
t the cyclist does, I've had to do multiple courses on it.They now know this so they're doing even more stupid s
t than before, what they don't realise is that not everyone has been forced to do the courses so northerners who rarely drive in the city will still bounce them.If that goes anywhere, which it will because they've got cameras and they're t
ts, it will be the drivers fault.https://www.gov.uk/government/news/the-highway-cod...
Edited by s p a c e m a n on Monday 27th July 09:31
Driver has a duty of care driving such a large vehicle and should never presume a cyclist will follow common sense of the Highway Code especially in London but he has my sympathies driving such a vehicle on London - it can’t be easy especially at certain junctions where cyclists can surround you like ants but equally the cyclist put himself into a very dangerous position for little gain and while no doubt he feels aggrieved, he went up against 44t and lost. This could have ended very, very badly for him.
70/30 for me with the cyclist taking the majority of fault.
70/30 for me with the cyclist taking the majority of fault.
paralla said:
The cyclist went straight on from a left turn only lane. I think the lorry driver had a reasonable expectation that everyone in the left turn only lane had turned left.
As a former London HgV driver , no, none of the other cyclists did, in his view, he should have expected others to do the same. Yes they are wrong, but with cyclists you have to be extremely aware of them.
Once while slowly moving towards the Kings Cross end of Caledonian road I saw a d
head weaving in and out, inside one vehicle on the nearside lane, outside the next, in my mirrors, I saw him go inside me, but not across the front, assuming the pattern of his riding, I stopped and gone out.
He had hit the big rear step of the food delivery van I. Front, gone between the front two axles, and was just about to be squashed, still on the cycle wrapped around his legs, by the two low rear differentials.
Loads of other instances, had friends involved in cycle deaths, two while driving my truck,
paralla said:
The cyclist went straight on from a left turn only lane. I think the lorry driver had a reasonable expectation that everyone in the left turn only lane had turned left.
As a former London HgV driver , no, none of the other cyclists did, in his view, he should have expected others to do the same. Yes they are wrong, but with cyclists you have to be extremely aware of them.
Once while slowly moving towards the Kings Cross end of Caledonian road I saw a d
head weaving in and out, inside one vehicle on the nearside lane, outside the next, in my mirrors, I saw him go inside me, but not across the front, assuming the pattern of his riding, I stopped and gone out.
He had hit the big rear step of the food delivery van I. Front, gone between the front two axles, and was just about to be squashed, still on the cycle wrapped around his legs, by the two low rear differentials.
Loads of other instances, had friends involved in cycle deaths, two while driving my truck,you really do not want to be one of them.
The roads in London being made more difficult, confusing and cyclists refusing to use the space that was provided for them is one of the reasons I stopped.
Some people just don't give a f
k about their own safety. Just their rights. valiant said:
Driver has a duty of care driving such a large vehicle and should never presume a cyclist will follow common sense of the Highway Code especially in London but he has my sympathies driving such a vehicle on London - it can t be easy especially at certain junctions where cyclists can surround you like ants but equally the cyclist put himself into a very dangerous position for little gain and while no doubt he feels aggrieved, he went up against 44t and lost. This could have ended very, very badly for him.
70/30 for me with the cyclist taking the majority of fault.
As a very occasional HGV-ist (I did agency work on the side) I had the pleasure of driving a rigid 26t through London back in 2010 before the current explosion in cycling and let me tell you, it was horrendous. 70/30 for me with the cyclist taking the majority of fault.
I'm firmly of the opinion that large vehicles and vulnerable road users are simply incompatible and should not be sharing the same space; this is not to apportion (in general terms) blame on either side, but to acknowledge that batter infrastructure and conditions of both sides should be in place.
Ah a cycling thread, I've asked this question on facebook type cycling posts a few times but have never got an answer, maybe on here someone can answer it.
Cyclists state, quite rightly, that they can ride two abreast or in the middle of the lane to avoid pot holes and debris etc. and its the car drivers responsibility to get round them without causing any danger if they want to make progress. - right so far?
So when on shared cycling/foot paths, why do cyclists get irate when pedestrians don't get out of the way for them immediately, could be a family walking along or someone with a dog etc.
This is in the USA but its the type of thing I mean.
english one I think.
Cyclists state, quite rightly, that they can ride two abreast or in the middle of the lane to avoid pot holes and debris etc. and its the car drivers responsibility to get round them without causing any danger if they want to make progress. - right so far?
So when on shared cycling/foot paths, why do cyclists get irate when pedestrians don't get out of the way for them immediately, could be a family walking along or someone with a dog etc.
This is in the USA but its the type of thing I mean.
english one I think.
Edited by Frane Selak on Tuesday 4th August 09:00
Frane Selak said:
Ah a cycling thread, I've asked this question on facebook type cycling posts a few times but have never got an answer, maybe on here someone can answer it.
Cyclists state, quite rightly, that they can ride two abreast or in the middle of the lane to avoid pot holes and debris etc. and its the car drivers responsibility to get round them without causing any danger if they want to make progress. - right so far?
So when on shared cycling/foot paths, why do cyclists get irate when pedestrians don't get out of the way for them immediately, could be a family walking along or someone with a dog etc.
Some people are idiots sadly.Cyclists state, quite rightly, that they can ride two abreast or in the middle of the lane to avoid pot holes and debris etc. and its the car drivers responsibility to get round them without causing any danger if they want to make progress. - right so far?
So when on shared cycling/foot paths, why do cyclists get irate when pedestrians don't get out of the way for them immediately, could be a family walking along or someone with a dog etc.
Edited by Frane Selak on Tuesday 4th August 09:00
I'm a cyclist and a proponent of the road safety hierarchy, that means looking out for the safety of the more vulnerable road user. For a cyclist that means pedestrians, unfortunately some cyclists bring the car driver mentally of might is right and expect people to jump out of their way. It's wrong in a car and wrong on a bike
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