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I was recently having a chat with my step daughter and her boy friend about the decline in pubs, we were looking for one for a evening meal and a few drinks, they are both mid 20's.
Anyway they said that there age group dont really drink due to the price, and most are drug takers, now weed etc didnt surprise me, but no apparently the drug of choice is now fentanyl, and they were telling me of the horrible side effects of it.
I must be very naive as while i new it was a problem in the usa, i had no idea it was here.
They were telling me they know personally at least a dozen people who use it regularly.
I know weed use has grown as i smell it everywhere now.
For those that dont know, its a horse tranquilizer.
how the world has changed since the 80's when i was down the pub with my mates drinking snakebite.
Anyway they said that there age group dont really drink due to the price, and most are drug takers, now weed etc didnt surprise me, but no apparently the drug of choice is now fentanyl, and they were telling me of the horrible side effects of it.
I must be very naive as while i new it was a problem in the usa, i had no idea it was here.
They were telling me they know personally at least a dozen people who use it regularly.
I know weed use has grown as i smell it everywhere now.
For those that dont know, its a horse tranquilizer.
how the world has changed since the 80's when i was down the pub with my mates drinking snakebite.
richhead said:
I was recently having a chat with my step daughter and her boy friend about the decline in pubs, we were looking for one for a evening meal and a few drinks, they are both mid 20's.
Anyway they said that there age group dont really drink due to the price, and most are drug takers, now weed etc didnt surprise me, but no apparently the drug of choice is now fentanyl, and they were telling me of the horrible side effects of it.
I must be very naive as while i new it was a problem in the usa, i had no idea it was here.
They were telling me they know personally at least a dozen people who use it regularly.
I know weed use has grown as i smell it everywhere now.
For those that dont know, its a horse tranquilizer.
how the world has changed since the 80's when i was down the pub with my mates drinking snakebite.
You’ve got your drugs mixed up, you are talking about ket (ketamine), very different to fentanyl. Anyway they said that there age group dont really drink due to the price, and most are drug takers, now weed etc didnt surprise me, but no apparently the drug of choice is now fentanyl, and they were telling me of the horrible side effects of it.
I must be very naive as while i new it was a problem in the usa, i had no idea it was here.
They were telling me they know personally at least a dozen people who use it regularly.
I know weed use has grown as i smell it everywhere now.
For those that dont know, its a horse tranquilizer.
how the world has changed since the 80's when i was down the pub with my mates drinking snakebite.
Due to a morphine allergy I was given some fentanyl after some surgery about 18 months ago, it is scary s
t! The pain disappeared like someone had flicked a switch, it's that powerful.
Before it was administered I asked if fentanyl was the stuff that was killing everyone in the US? The doctor confirmed that it was indeed killing lots of junkies but I wasn't to worry as they were on a roll and hadn't had anyone die that week...
t! The pain disappeared like someone had flicked a switch, it's that powerful. Before it was administered I asked if fentanyl was the stuff that was killing everyone in the US? The doctor confirmed that it was indeed killing lots of junkies but I wasn't to worry as they were on a roll and hadn't had anyone die that week...
richhead said:
JQ said:
You ve got your drugs mixed up, you are talking about ket (ketamine), very different to fentanyl.
You may be right, 20 somethings are into ket, but the younger generation have seen the results (colostomy bags and agony passing liquids) and are far more cautious.
Tango13 said:
Due to a morphine allergy I was given some fentanyl after some surgery about 18 months ago, it is scary st! The pain disappeared like someone had flicked a switch, it's that powerful.
Before it was administered I asked if fentanyl was the stuff that was killing everyone in the US? The doctor confirmed that it was indeed killing lots of junkies but I wasn't to worry as they were on a roll and hadn't had anyone die that week...
t! The pain disappeared like someone had flicked a switch, it's that powerful. Before it was administered I asked if fentanyl was the stuff that was killing everyone in the US? The doctor confirmed that it was indeed killing lots of junkies but I wasn't to worry as they were on a roll and hadn't had anyone die that week...
Yes Fentanyl works extremely quickly compared to morphine. Taking it as a recreation drug is just mental!
JQ said:
I am.
20 somethings are into ket, but the younger generation have seen the results (colostomy bags and agony passing liquids) and are far more cautious.
Yes those are the things that shocked me.20 somethings are into ket, but the younger generation have seen the results (colostomy bags and agony passing liquids) and are far more cautious.
Ive never been a drug user, other than i drink a little, so im a bit in my own little world.
richhead said:
JQ said:
I am.
20 somethings are into ket, but the younger generation have seen the results (colostomy bags and agony passing liquids) and are far more cautious.
Yes those are the things that shocked me.20 somethings are into ket, but the younger generation have seen the results (colostomy bags and agony passing liquids) and are far more cautious.
Ive never been a drug user, other than i drink a little, so im a bit in my own little world.
I recommend the Netflix Documentary with flics of reality series painkiller
https://www.netflix.com/title/81095069
Not the same- but as troubling.
Fentanyl is bulldozing through society similarly
https://www.netflix.com/title/81095069
Not the same- but as troubling.
Fentanyl is bulldozing through society similarly
Landlubber said:
Ketamine is indeed a horse tranquiliser, fentanyl is an extremely potent pain killer, very, very easy to get wrong and its goodnight Vienna when you od.
Ketamine has been used on humans for a long time (as well as horses) its a potent pain killer and a disassociative, Paramedics and army field medics carry it.Also used therapeutically for depression and anxiety but results are a mixed bag
Fentanyl is a serious issue in the US where it's both displacing other narcotics and being mixed with heroin or cocaine.
As others have mentioned it's a quite powerful sedative and pain killer (synthetic opiate) and overdoes are quite easy due to how potent the drug is.
The rise of fentanyl in the US is a direct result of the American war on drugs. Whoda thunk locking up people for smoking pot or taking coke would result in them turning to harder drugs that are easier to produce and can be transported or sold in smaller packages due to their potency. Also it's cheaper, the downside as mentioned is how easy it is to OD as well as tainted/poorly mixed batches. However the US still doesn't want to admit that it really wants to get high so the war continues to escalate for no reason.
I'd be surprised if it has become as big of a problem in western Europe as we haven't had the same hate boner for more prosaic drugs nor targetting drug users.
As others have mentioned it's a quite powerful sedative and pain killer (synthetic opiate) and overdoes are quite easy due to how potent the drug is.
The rise of fentanyl in the US is a direct result of the American war on drugs. Whoda thunk locking up people for smoking pot or taking coke would result in them turning to harder drugs that are easier to produce and can be transported or sold in smaller packages due to their potency. Also it's cheaper, the downside as mentioned is how easy it is to OD as well as tainted/poorly mixed batches. However the US still doesn't want to admit that it really wants to get high so the war continues to escalate for no reason.
I'd be surprised if it has become as big of a problem in western Europe as we haven't had the same hate boner for more prosaic drugs nor targetting drug users.
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