Checking bank notes

[Adam B]

I have sold a banksy print on ebay and the guy is picking it up in person as he is quite local so transaction will be in cash. Its approx £2000

He seems like a perfectly ordinary bloke on the phone, and I am sure all should be a kosher but little bit of me is wary but can't be too careful these days.

I could ask him to go to a cashpoint with me so I see him withdrawing from the wall but seems a bit rude.

Any tips on spotting the more obvious forged notes?

[N1tro]

he can only withdraw £250 per day from atm!

[Adam B]

ah yes, excuse numptiness

so on to the dodgy 20s question.....

[Nickyboy]

Go to WH Smith and buy a forged pen detector, i did when i sold the car. Told him i was going to check random notes and did so. He didnt have a problem with it

[okgo]

Go to your bank with him and his cash, pay it in there.

[Shaw Tarse]

The ink on real notes never dries.

[Adam B]

okgo said:

Go to your bank with him and his cash, pay it in there.

he is coming in the evening, banks shut - might get one of those pens from WHSmith though

[deevlash]

Shaw Tarse said:

The ink on real notes never dries.

True, rub it quite hard on a bit of paper and a £50 should leave a red mark (if its an english note)

[Flanders.]

Shaw Tarse said:

The ink on real notes never dries.

Well Bugger me, how does this work?

[Adam B]

deevlash said:

Shaw Tarse said:

The ink on real notes never dries.

True, rub it quite hard on a bit of paper and a £50 should leave a red mark (if its an english note)

perfect, this is the sort of simple zero-cost test I was after.

Any particular part to rub?
Presume it works on all notes?
Best to rub it on an ordinary piece of white paper?

thanks

[br d]

Just got back from holiday, before I went I drew a grand in 20's from my branch (Barclays), it came with one of those little "£1000 pounds" rings on it. So far 6 of them have proven to be ringers. After 25 years as a business customer I am going to have a serious word with them next week, although they will, of course, deny it, and I will not, of course, be able to prove it.

You know there's a recession when your bank is giving out duds!

brad

[okgo]

br d said:

Just got back from holiday, before I went I drew a grand in 20's from my branch (Barclays), it came with one of those little "£1000 pounds" rings on it. So far 6 of them have proven to be ringers. After 25 years as a business customer I am going to have a serious word with them next week, although they will, of course, deny it, and I will not, of course, be able to prove it.

You know there's a recession when your bank is giving out duds!

brad

How have you found out they were fake Brad?

[Shaw Tarse]

Flanders. said:

Shaw Tarse said:

The ink on real notes never dries.

Well Bugger me, how does this work?

It's a secret!
If you rub a genuine "note" on paper it should leave a smudge.
Also the print on a real note, should feel "raised" onif anyone has any concerns send me your fakes for disposal

[deevlash]

Adam B said:

deevlash said:

Shaw Tarse said:

The ink on real notes never dries.

True, rub it quite hard on a bit of paper and a £50 should leave a red mark (if its an english note)

perfect, this is the sort of simple zero-cost test I was after.

Any particular part to rub?
Presume it works on all notes?
Best to rub it on an ordinary piece of white paper?

thanks

a standard white bit of white paper works best to rub the note on. Just choose the most red bit of the note to rub. Ive never actually tried it with a £10 or a £20 as I can spot fake ones of them a mile off anyway but Im led to believe it works with them too although I dont have any notes handy to check.

[br d]

okgo said:

br d said:

Just got back from holiday, before I went I drew a grand in 20's from my branch (Barclays), it came with one of those little "£1000 pounds" rings on it. So far 6 of them have proven to be ringers. After 25 years as a business customer I am going to have a serious word with them next week, although they will, of course, deny it, and I will not, of course, be able to prove it.

You know there's a recession when your bank is giving out duds!

brad

How have you found out they were fake Brad?

5 of them were refused by a bank where I was staying when I tried to change them into the local currency (they put then under the light and they clearly showed as fake) and one was refused by a shop. I was pretty p!ssed off about it but didn't want it to spoil the holiday so ignored it. My same branch also refuse to believe me a couple of years ago when I had 600 quid drawn from a bank machine in Hove. They sent me an hilarious letter basically saying that somebody must have broken into my house, taken the card from my wallet, driven to Hove, drawn the money, then driven back and replaced the card. In other words: YOU DID IT!!!

I was very annoyed but they have been very helpful as a business partner over the years so I let it go.
They have you by the short and curlies!

[The Moose]

Ok, having a pocket full of notes (every one at the moment) it would appear that £5 and £10 notes dont leave anything behind. (maybe these are fakes )

£20's did - It you look at the side of the note with the queens face on it, well, I basically rubbed the queen's face on the paper! Seemed to leave some blue behind! Not much else on the note did.

£50's did - If you look again at the queen's side, the red triangle with 50 in it. That was rubbed and left red behind. Not much else on the note did either.

To the chap with the dodgy notes from the bank - if you ordered it specially I would have thought they would be able to track the serial numbers. But I would certainly go and make a MASSIVE row in the bank - probably when it was extremely busy. (you know, start as a quiet word and let it get a bit more out of hand if they dont sort it!) - Good luck chap!

Cheers

The Moose

ETA: It does make me wonder how many times I have ever had a fake bank note and spent it unknowingly!

Edited by The Moose on Sunday 26th April 22:15

[Shaw Tarse]

deevlash said:

Adam B said:

deevlash said:

Shaw Tarse said:

The ink on real notes never dries.

True, rub it quite hard on a bit of paper and a £50 should leave a red mark (if its an english note)

perfect, this is the sort of simple zero-cost test I was after.

Any particular part to rub?
Presume it works on all notes?
Best to rub it on an ordinary piece of white paper?

thanks

a standard white bit of white paper works best to rub the note on. Just choose the most red bit of the note to rub. Ive never actually tried it with a £10 or a £20 as I can spot fake ones of them a mile off anyway but Im led to believe it works with them too although I dont have any notes handy to check.

Just double checked with a fiver, & ink still "wet" (will hang them to dry )
As Deev pointed out, you do get a feel for fake cash.
Just shoplift from his store As he aint tossed someone my weight

[Adam B]

deevlash said:

Ive never actually tried it with a £10 or a £20 as I can spot fake ones of them a mile off anyway

very helpful so far, any tips for this?

[Shaw Tarse]

Adam B said:

deevlash said:

Ive never actually tried it with a £10 or a £20 as I can spot fake ones of them a mile off anyway

very helpful so far, any tips for this?

Adam, the "print" should be raised.
The ink should not dry.
& if you handle money often, there is just a "feel" something is wrong.

[br d]

The Moose said:

To the chap with the dodgy notes from the bank - if you ordered it specially I would have thought they would be able to track the serial numbers. But I would certainly go and make a MASSIVE row in the bank - probably when it was extremely busy. (you know, start as a quiet word and let it get a bit more out of hand if they dont sort it!) - Good luck chap!

Cheers

The Moose

ETA: It does make me wonder how many times I have ever had a fake bank note and spent it unknowingly!

Edited by The Moose on Sunday 26th April 22:15

Problem is Moose, banks will not return fake notes, they keep them. Except for the one in the shop, which I unwittingly spent somewhere else (honest, I really meant to keep it as evidence but just handed it drunkenly over an airport bar, I'm not a good flyer!)
Regardless, the notes weren't in any order serial number wise so marching back in with them wouldn't prove a thing (or do they record the numbers of every note they process? Doesn't seem likely).