Self defence - a trigger?

[Pow!]

Yes so basically ive just got in after what would have been a good night out. Except some of the local scum thought theyd be a bunch of s and try and go for some. Now seeing as i keep away from the great unwashed i dont ever get into a situation where im one on one with a bloke, so shock horror when some lad came over and started on my made the immediate thing to do is get the off but i did a freeze thing and watch for about a second or two until i sort of jumped in and walked off. Even though i was nothing to do with it some lad saw me talking to my mate and assumed i was lad who "started it" then my mate saw him clentching a fist to him me and done him one down the stairs.

So fantastic night ruined

But tbf it could happen again , and this isnt the first time of not done anything , so i was really thankfull when my mate stepped in to help me out , or i could have been worse for where.

So what can i do now, what can i do next time some fker trys to start, really youve got to see it in my eyes ( i can only assume some people on here can relate) to understand fighting doesnt happen.

I think what i need is a trigger, something to blank out anything around and just defend myself a bit, but what?

[Sheets Tabuer]

Pow! said:

Yes so basically ive just got in after what would have been a good night out. Except some of the local scum thought theyd be a bunch of s and try and go for some. Now seeing as i keep away from the great unwashed i dont ever get into a situation where im one on one with a bloke, so shock horror when some lad came over and started on my made the immediate thing to do is get the off but i did a freeze thing and watch for about a second or two until i sort of jumped in and walked off. Even though i was nothing to do with it some lad saw me talking to my mate and assumed i was lad who "started it" then my mate saw him clentching a fist to him me and done him one down the stairs.

So fantastic night ruined

But tbf it could happen again , and this isnt the first time of not done anything , so i was really thankfull when my mate stepped in to help me out , or i could have been worse for where.

So what can i do now, what can i do next time some fker trys to start, really youve got to see it in my eyes ( i can only assume some people on here can relate) to understand fighting doesnt happen.

I think what i need is a trigger, something to blank out anything around and just defend myself a bit, but what?

Learn to fight or stay sober.

[Pow!]

Sheets Tabuer said:

Pow! said:

Yes so basically ive just got in after what would have been a good night out. Except some of the local scum thought theyd be a bunch of s and try and go for some. Now seeing as i keep away from the great unwashed i dont ever get into a situation where im one on one with a bloke, so shock horror when some lad came over and started on my made the immediate thing to do is get the off but i did a freeze thing and watch for about a second or two until i sort of jumped in and walked off. Even though i was nothing to do with it some lad saw me talking to my mate and assumed i was lad who "started it" then my mate saw him clentching a fist to him me and done him one down the stairs.

So fantastic night ruined

But tbf it could happen again , and this isnt the first time of not done anything , so i was really thankfull when my mate stepped in to help me out , or i could have been worse for where.

So what can i do now, what can i do next time some fker trys to start, really youve got to see it in my eyes ( i can only assume some people on here can relate) to understand fighting doesnt happen.

I think what i need is a trigger, something to blank out anything around and just defend myself a bit, but what?

Learn to fight or stay sober.

Yes, its what i was getting at, but i had drunk quite quite alot tonight anyway , but just sent me completely sober?

But what can i do , kickboxing or something?

[Nobody You Know]

What?

Edit that in the morning with less Alkeehole in your system so it makes abit more sense please.

No offence, we've all done it but the from the first paragraph I have no idea what actually happened.

[OllieWinchester]

I agree, it makes little to no sense at the moment.

[Sheets Tabuer]

^^ what he said, by the way you can't learn to fight you just experience it (apart from learning to box) it is so easy when you know what is going on and as much fun as rock climbing or going to the gym.

[Pow!]

Ok ok

Easier

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze and didnt even push him away or anything but luckly my mate did

So what im saying is i have a mental block between my head and my fist, is getting rid of that easy?

[Sheets Tabuer]

Ahh you st yourself, as I said go boxing or muay thai once you start fighting you look forward to it as much as you would going for a blat on a fast bike.

You need practice, human males really are built to knock the crap out of each other.

Note I am 37 now and have grown up but it was fun at the time (in the ring not in the pub)

[Nobody You Know]

Pow! said:

Ok ok

Easier

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze and didnt even push him away or anything but luckly my mate did

So what im saying is i have a mental block between my head and my fist, is getting rid of that easy?

That's much better.

Your username isn't very appropriate then?

To be honest that mental block will keep you from being had up on an assault charge. Just get the hell out of there.

You only need to hit someone, they fall down crack there head and you end up getting locked up for 22hrs a day and bummed senseless for the other 2.

[Pow!]

Nobody You Know said:

Pow! said:

Ok ok

Easier

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze and didnt even push him away or anything but luckly my mate did

So what im saying is i have a mental block between my head and my fist, is getting rid of that easy?

That's much better.

Your username isn't very appropriate then?

To be honest that mental block will keep you from being had up on an assault charge. Just get the hell out of there.

You only need to hit someone, they fall down crack there head and you end up getting locked up for 22hrs a day and bummed senseless for the other 2.

Exactly , basically the thing i do every time is think of the worst outcome , whereas two of my mates just have a block of the outside world and go of it ( which saved me from a nice shiner). Even though id agree every time i dont want to get into the same situation as i did, but there comes a time for everything and i couldnt even do what i wanted to , does that sound right?

[OllieWinchester]

It makes more sense now. Drink more and take cocaine when on a night out.

HTH

[Not-All-Here]

Pow! said:

Ok ok

Easier

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze and didnt even push him away or anything but luckly my mate did

So what im saying is i have a mental block between my head and my fist, is getting rid of that easy?

Yeah, go get drunk, walk up to a chav, clack him in the face and leave him to it.

That way you get the idea of why they do it, you know how pointless it is, so when they try to do it to you, you dont feel guitly for making a mosaic of their teeth on the floor.

This isnt good advice.

however, having done karate up to a high level i can tell you it doesnt help in street situations per se.

It made me a must less agressive person (and i was aggressive to begin with). you understand that fighting in a last resort (something you seem to have mastered) but when you do sparring (fighting) in classes its intimidating at first, but once your used to it and you are allowed semi contact fights it gives you a good feel for what an actual fight would be like.

What im doing a bad job of asying is this.

Taking classes such as karate, kick boxing, judo etc will get rid of some of the fear that the thought of a fight brings.

If fighting is not something you've done in the past/ever it will feel wrong, but once you've had a couple of mock fights you will feel that you can defend yourself if you need to.

[Pow!]

Not-All-Here said:

Pow! said:

Ok ok

Easier

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze and didnt even push him away or anything but luckly my mate did

So what im saying is i have a mental block between my head and my fist, is getting rid of that easy?

Yeah, go get drunk, walk up to a chav, clack him in the face and leave him to it.

That way you get the idea of why they do it, you know how pointless it is, so when they try to do it to you, you dont feel guitly for making a mosaic of their teeth on the floor.

This isnt good advice.

however, having done karate up to a high level i can tell you it doesnt help in street situations per se.

It made me a must less agressive person (and i was aggressive to begin with). you understand that fighting in a last resort (something you seem to have mastered) but when you do sparring (fighting) in classes its intimidating at first, but once your used to it and you are allowed semi contact fights it gives you a good feel for what an actual fight would be like.

What im doing a bad job of asying is this.

Taking classes such as karate, kick boxing, judo etc will get rid of some of the fear that the thought of a fight brings.

If fighting is not something you've done in the past/ever it will feel wrong, but once you've had a couple of mock fights you will feel that you can defend yourself if you need to.

Exactly what i needed to hear, its basically like curing a fear. i wouldnt say its as much as a fear but not far from it , in my head i want to get in there and stand my place but when it matters it just doesnt happen.

[Steameh]

Nobody You Know said:

Pow! said:

Ok ok

Easier

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze and didnt even push him away or anything but luckly my mate did

So what im saying is i have a mental block between my head and my fist, is getting rid of that easy?

That's much better.

Your username isn't very appropriate then?

To be honest that mental block will keep you from being had up on an assault charge. Just get the hell out of there.

You only need to hit someone, they fall down crack there head and you end up getting locked up for 22hrs a day and bummed senseless for the other 2.

Pub local to me, a young lad hit someone who had been verbal to his brother, the guy fell down, hit his head on the concrete. Went to hospital, discharged himself and died an hour later from bleeding on the brain I believe.

Young lad is now spending the best years of his life behind bars for manslaughter.

Really really really not worth getting involved, if I'm in a situation like that, I try to restrain the attacker.

[Pow!]

Steameh said:

Nobody You Know said:

Pow! said:

Ok ok

Easier

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze and didnt even push him away or anything but luckly my mate did

So what im saying is i have a mental block between my head and my fist, is getting rid of that easy?

That's much better.

Your username isn't very appropriate then?

To be honest that mental block will keep you from being had up on an assault charge. Just get the hell out of there.

You only need to hit someone, they fall down crack there head and you end up getting locked up for 22hrs a day and bummed senseless for the other 2.

Pub local to me, a young lad hit someone who had been verbal to his brother, the guy fell down, hit his head on the concrete. Went to hospital, discharged himself and died an hour later from bleeding on the brain I believe.

Young lad is now spending the best years of his life behind bars for manslaughter.

Really really really not worth getting involved, if I'm in a situation like that, I try to restrain the attacker.

I see your point clean and clear, i dont want to end up with my life in a stter over nothing. Its something i would generally think about say if some drunk walked past and barged me id just let it go and think nothing of it , but unfortunatly when the time is needed i think it would just be appropriate to be in the "know" of dealing with it. so really best form for it is what i want to know.

[KingRichard]

Pow! said:

Steameh said:

Nobody You Know said:

Pow! said:

Ok ok

Easier

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze and didnt even push him away or anything but luckly my mate did

So what im saying is i have a mental block between my head and my fist, is getting rid of that easy?

That's much better.

Your username isn't very appropriate then?

To be honest that mental block will keep you from being had up on an assault charge. Just get the hell out of there.

You only need to hit someone, they fall down crack there head and you end up getting locked up for 22hrs a day and bummed senseless for the other 2.

Pub local to me, a young lad hit someone who had been verbal to his brother, the guy fell down, hit his head on the concrete. Went to hospital, discharged himself and died an hour later from bleeding on the brain I believe.

Young lad is now spending the best years of his life behind bars for manslaughter.

Really really really not worth getting involved, if I'm in a situation like that, I try to restrain the attacker.

I see your point clean and clear, i dont want to end up with my life in a stter over nothing. Its something i would generally think about say if some drunk walked past and barged me id just let it go and think nothing of it , but unfortunatly when the time is needed i think it would just be appropriate to be in the "know" of dealing with it. so really best form for it is what i want to know.

Go and learn some Jui Jitsu... Nothing better than locking a chav up screaming in an arm bar

I've been a good few times, and train with a lot of door staff. It's actually a very risky thing to hit somebody, especially in the street as when they stumble or fall you have no control over what they hit... depending on where the confrontation takes place, they might fall off a bridge, in front of a bus or even just crack their head on the kerb.

The law states that you are allowed to use reasonable force to defend yourself, and that force can be pre-emptive ie; you don't have to wait to be hit before striking someone. However, you'd better genuinely be in fear of your life, or the life of another before you do strike someone... just in case. It's not worth doing time just because some dickless weasel wants to look big.

As I say, lock 'em up squealing in front of their mates. Keep telling them how much it turns you on and how you want to be inside them. Old bill turn up, see you restraining the chav. You let go and he goes nuts, promptly gets squashed by 5 coppers and nicked under section 5

[Los Palmas 7]

All you have to do is say to the protagonist, in a soft, calm voice "Don't make me angry; you wouldn't like me when I'm angry."

Then do that thing where your eyes go all green and that.

Just make sure you're wearing an old shirt and trousers that will stretch a bit.

[captainzep]

Pow! said:

i saw my mate getting smacked, wanted to jump in , froze and couldnt

Then when some lad came up to me i froze

I don't know if it helps but what you've probably experienced is something psychologists call 'paralysing anxiety' or 'livelock'. Its very common and not really something to be ashamed of. Many settings in life we've seen before and we have a 'script' to follow, i.e. what to do next. When we are presented with a new and frightening situation we don't have a script to follow and occasionally this causes us to freeze until something knocks us out of it. Some people think its a bit like the brain going into 'circular processing' -as in when your computer freezes.

Its the reason why the army drills people to the extent that many responses become automatic and require little conscious thought. -When we have to think our way out of a new situation, most of us don't perform very well.

(I was fortunate enough to have this chap as a tutor for a while) -

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15198281?ordina...

[Not-All-Here]

Something else I will add.

Any form of martial arts can be as much a good thing as it can be bad. I have once been accused of 'using my skills improperly'. IF a fight breaks out and your involved and the plod get called in, then if they find out you do martial arts it can sometime come back on you.

One great skill i leaned in my karate classes was a very simple yet effective technique.

As an attacker throws a punch you step to the outside of that person (so if they throw a lefty punch you move left and vice versa) you then (whilst moving) use your opposite arm (they punch with their left, you use your right and vice versa) to guide their arm away from you (arm at this point is kind of in an 'L' shape so that you forearm is upright as then its a larger surface area). If you hit their arm with enough force you can guide both them past you, and you around them. At this point you should be in a position where you can see alot of the back of them.

At this point once swift stamp to the back of the knee is all thats needed.

They are down on the floor, you are behind then and have planty of time to GTFO of there.

Much easier to demonstrate that explain, but if you fancied it, its something you could practise with a mate.

[ofcorsa]

Not-All-Here said:

Something else I will add.

Any form of martial arts can be as much a good thing as it can be bad. I have once been accused of 'using my skills improperly'. IF a fight breaks out and your involved and the plod get called in, then if they find out you do martial arts it can sometime come back on you.

One great skill i leaned in my karate classes was a very simple yet effective technique.

As an attacker throws a punch you step to the outside of that person (so if they throw a lefty punch you move left and vice versa) you then (whilst moving) use your opposite arm (they punch with their left, you use your right and vice versa) to guide their arm away from you (arm at this point is kind of in an 'L' shape so that you forearm is upright as then its a larger surface area). If you hit their arm with enough force you can guide both them past you, and you around them. At this point you should be in a position where you can see alot of the back of them.

At this point once swift stamp to the back of the knee is all thats needed.

They are down on the floor, you are behind then and have planty of time to GTFO of there.

Much easier to demonstrate that explain, but if you fancied it, its something you could practise with a mate.

The mechanical part of fighting comes naturally to most blokes IMO, To get to that point you first need to recognize the signs of conflict and then act accordingly to it. whether that's finding the nearest exit or hitting first.