Does a oxygen/gas cylinder float?
Does a oxygen/gas cylinder float?
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john_p

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272 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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If you put a full oxygen cylinder or a butane cylinder into a pool, would it float? Obviously the cylinder is heavy but is it supported by the weight of the air/gas inside.. scratchchin

I'd go down the local canal and try, but I think that wouldn't render me too popular to the locals.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

264 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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No. Sinks like a heavy, metal thing.

Odd that.

BoRED S2upid

20,924 posts

262 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Would depend what size?. Im sure a maths geek would be able to tell you.

mrmr96

13,736 posts

226 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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john_p said:
...is it supported by the weight of the air/gas inside.. scratchchin
WTF?

Serious question. How old are you and have you ever sat and passed a science GCSE? (or equivalent)

esselte

14,626 posts

289 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Justayellowbadge said:
No. Sinks like a heavy, metal thing.

Odd that.
Isn't the gas compressed..would that make it a liquid while it's in the bottle and it turns to a gas when the pressure is released? IYSWIM

Famous Graham

26,553 posts

247 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Depends entirely on the pressurisation of the gas inside.

Sheets Tabuer

20,926 posts

237 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Depends if anyone sees it.

Cas_P

1,497 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Yes, it would float...like a rock..

Edited by Cas_P on Monday 22 June 16:45

Famous Graham

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247 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Justayellowbadge said:
No. Sinks like a heavy, metal thing.

Odd that.
You mean like those new fangled metal boats?

dougc

8,240 posts

287 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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It'd make diving fking hard work if it did.

mmm-five

12,022 posts

306 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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If it was just the cylinder with atmospheric pressure gas in it then it would possibly float.

However, due to the gas in in being compressed to about 200 times the pressure of the outside atmosphere, you'll find the cylinder with this amount in will not be able to support itself.

A 24x4 inch cylinder contains about 700 litres (24 cubic foot) of oxygen.

Scrumper

318 posts

204 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Buoyancy is your answer. If the density of the cylinder is less than the density of water, it will float.

Although it's got oxygen/butane inside it, that's in liquid form so it has a density much greater than that of gaseous oxygen or butane although still less than water. The weight of the steel tank and the liquified gas could be enough to make the density greater than that of water.

Lucie W

3,473 posts

204 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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I don't think so, because there isn't gas inside, it's liquid...

Justayellowbadge

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264 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Famous Graham said:
Justayellowbadge said:
No. Sinks like a heavy, metal thing.

Odd that.
You mean like those new fangled metal boats?
OK, to clarify - a small calor gas stove cylinder would float. A scuba tank sinks.

Cas_P

1,497 posts

205 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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dougc said:
It'd make diving fking hard work if it did.
pmsl, didn't think of that, DIVE, "I CANT I'M fkING FLOATING!"

mrmr96

13,736 posts

226 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Serious answer:

It's about the (average) density of the object. Higher density than water and it sinks. Lower density than water and it floats.

A boat is mostly air inside, so average density is low and it floats.
A gas cylender filled with compressed air will have a much higer density. Depending on the pressure of the gas this density could be higher or lower than water, with corresponding results.

(Basically by pumping more air in the size of the object [cylinder] remains constant but the mass [aka weight, sort of] increases, so the density increases until it's more dense than water, and then it sinks.)

deadmau5

3,197 posts

202 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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dougc said:
It'd make diving fking hard work if it did.
This must surely be the answer. Also why divers wear weight belts to counter it.

Famous Graham

26,553 posts

247 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Justayellowbadge said:
Famous Graham said:
Justayellowbadge said:
No. Sinks like a heavy, metal thing.

Odd that.
You mean like those new fangled metal boats?
OK, to clarify - a small calor gas stove cylinder would float. A scuba tank sinks.
Hence my first reply - depends on the pressurisation.

Famous Graham

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247 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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deadmau5 said:
dougc said:
It'd make diving fking hard work if it did.
This must surely be the answer. Also why divers wear weight belts to counter it.
You're contradicting yourself there - or misinterpreted dougc's post. IIRC (I'm no diver) the weights are counteract the body's natural buoyancy.

deadmau5

3,197 posts

202 months

Monday 22nd June 2009
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Famous Graham said:
deadmau5 said:
dougc said:
It'd make diving fking hard work if it did.
This must surely be the answer. Also why divers wear weight belts to counter it.
You're contradicting yourself there - or misinterpreted dougc's post. IIRC (I'm no diver) the weights are counteract the body's natural buoyancy.
Oh right. It would seem I'm chatting bks. Sorry!