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[Los Palmas 7]

On-line dictionaries and spell-checkers seem to steer me towards using a "zee" in words ending in "isation".

To me, the Z simply doesn't look right, so I usually substitute an S for it.

Does the Z have any place in the English language?

[Plotloss]

Its because most online stuff uses American dictionaries, which are wrong.

[Neil_H]

Los Palmas 7 said:

Does the Z have any place in the English language?

Yep, it's right at the end.

I hate it as well, it's all down to the bloody Americanization of the English language.

Edited by Neil_H on Wednesday 1st July 13:52

[DrTre]

I understood z to be correct British English in a number of circumstances..OED for instance.

"ise" is derived from the French "ise" (ie, "ees")

Edited by DrTre on Wednesday 1st July 13:56

[Los Palmas 7]

Plotloss said:

Its because most online stuff uses American dictionaries, which are wrong.

Which is bloody annoying.

My default is dictionary.com, but even that suggests "realize".

[Plotloss]

I've no idea why the OED isnt online.

Curious choice that, the defacto standard, everyone would use them.

[Scrumper]

Plotloss said:

I've no idea why the OED isnt online.

Curious choice that, the defacto standard, everyone would use them.

It is, but it costs £235.75 for a year's access.

[G_T]

Scrumper said:

Plotloss said:

I've no idea why the OED isnt online.

Curious choice that, the defacto standard, everyone would use them.

It is, but it costs £235.75 for a year's access.

I can't believe someone would pay that annually for a book. Especially when we all already know the Zebra did it.



... I'll let myself out.

[GTIR]

I got a school parents letter from my daughters school and while I am not the best at grammar and spelling they used "specialized" and "color", my daughter pointed the last one out and she is 7.

I rang the school and they said "It spell checked ok" WTF!

Waiting for the head to call me back.

[Melman Giraffe]

Plotloss said:

Its because most online stuff uses American dictionaries, which are wrong.

Yep

[Eric Mc]

The "z" is favoured by American useage of English but not exclusively so. It seems that the use of both "s" and "z" has been common or many, many years. I personally prefer to use "s" but the "z" use doesn't annoy me.

However, i really hate the use of some Americanisations such as -

program instead of programme
license instead of licence
neighbor instead of neighbour
airplane instead of aeroplane
obligate instead of oblige

There are more but the above are becomming very common over here.

[drivin_me_nuts]

I think that Pizton Headz would be so much more appealing as a name for this site

[Eric Mc]

And "'avin a pizza" is what an Italian does when he goes to the loo.

[GTIR]

Eric Mc said:

The "z" is favoured by American useage of English but not exclusively so. It seems that the use of both "s" and "z" has been common or many, many years. I personally prefer to use "s" but the "z" use doesn't annoy me.

However, i really hate the use of some Americanisations such as -

program instead of programme
license instead of licence
neighbor instead of neighbour
airplane instead of aeroplane
obligate instead of oblige

There are more but the above are becomming very common over here.

What about Red Hot Chilli Peppers, they say "It's my aeroplane..." dont sound as good with "Its my airplane..." does it!

English-English 1
American-English 0

[Plotloss]

Eric Mc said:

program instead of programme

Two different things.

Program a computer.

The festival programme.

You wouldn't use the mme version when talking about computing.

Though Americanisation does sully this somewhat as they use program for both.

[fadeaway]

GTIR said:

I got a school parents letter from my daughters school and while I am not the best at grammar and spelling they used "specialized" and "color", my daughter pointed the last one out and she is 7.

I rang the school and they said "It spell checked ok" WTF!

Waiting for the head to call me back.

Wow that's poor. Was relieved that you've asked to speak to the head! What an awful attitude.

1). Your a school that can't spell or correctly use grammar
2). Your attitude to the above is that it doesn't matter!
3). You don't understand that a spell checker is a tool
4). Your IT skills suck! (not hard to change to a UK dictionary is it!)

[DrTre]

If you're all being sticklers for the OED, bear in mind that it used to be exclusively "-ize", and that that is still OED policy.

ETA but apparently I'm speaking into thin air here.

Edited by DrTre on Wednesday 1st July 14:43

[FPC]

suffix -ize is in fact the originally correct English usage and -ise the more modern spelling.

[FPC]

Eric Mc said:

license instead of licence

Of course, license is correct when used as a verb.

[kambites]

FPC said:

Eric Mc said:

license instead of licence

Of course, license is correct when used as a verb.

Indeed. When you license something, you are giving it a licence.