Would you get caught?

[ladedah]

The initial message was deleted from this topic on 08 April 2019 at 15:49

[The Moose]

I'm amazed she would do that!

Are you sure you want to associate with people like that?!?!

Seriously though, take MASSIVE balls

Cheers

The Moose

[ascayman]

she's a tt if you ask me. hopefully she'll get caught.

[Plotloss]

Supermarkets dont have tapes.

They'd just type the transaction timestamp into their DVR and up would come the camera feed.

[SoapyShowerBoy]

Are they not tagged? If one TV had been purchased, the tag would have been deactivated/taken off. The new TV will still be tagged and set the alarm off.

But, like you say, the receipt shows it was purchased only 4 mins ago. At that point you would have to offer to escort it to her car!

We would all have cheaper TVs if little sts didn't do this!

[Bluebarge]

Your friend does not have balls, she is just a crook. She will start stealing your stuff next.

[WorAl]

Plotloss said:

Supermarkets dont have tapes.

They'd just type the transaction timestamp into their DVR and up would come the camera feed.

how would they know when it happened?? surely she wont have been the only one to have bought a TV. how do they know she is the one who took it? say they check at the end of the week they will have to check all the video for the one that dissapeared. even that day, its still going to take 10-12 hours to go throught the footage for the day.

[WorAl]

Bluebarge said:

Your friend does not have balls, she is just a crook. She will start stealing your stuff next.

how do you come to this conclusion then?

[Deluded]

SoapyShowerBoy said:

Are they not tagged? If one TV had been purchased, the tag would have been deactivated/taken off. The new TV will still be tagged and set the alarm off.

At which point, you show the security guard the reciept and moan that the checkout person couldn't find it. They let you go.

[Plotloss]

WorAl said:

Plotloss said:

Supermarkets dont have tapes.

They'd just type the transaction timestamp into their DVR and up would come the camera feed.

how would they know when it happened?? surely she wont have been the only one to have bought a TV. how do they know she is the one who took it? say they check at the end of the week they will have to check all the video for the one that dissapeared. even that day, its still going to take 10-12 hours to go throught the footage for the day.

One assumes that they arent doing massive volumes of televisions in a supermarket.

Say they do 10 or so a day.

I'd guess it would only take an hour or so to follow punters out of the store to see which one was up to something.

Its more labour intensive than first thought but still not onerous.

[WorAl]

Plotloss said:

WorAl said:

Plotloss said:

Supermarkets dont have tapes.

They'd just type the transaction timestamp into their DVR and up would come the camera feed.

how would they know when it happened?? surely she wont have been the only one to have bought a TV. how do they know she is the one who took it? say they check at the end of the week they will have to check all the video for the one that dissapeared. even that day, its still going to take 10-12 hours to go throught the footage for the day.

One assumes that they arent doing massive volumes of televisions in a supermarket.

Say they do 10 or so a day.

I'd guess it would only take an hour or so to follow punters out of the store to see which one was up to something.

Its more labour intensive than first thought but still not onerous.

but you have to find the point in the day where the TV was picked up and carried to the checkout. say the shop is open 24 hours as alot of supermarkets are now, how easy is that going to be??

ETA the cashier doesnt know that the second tv was stolen remember

Edited by WorAl on Monday 6th July 15:31

[off_again]

Plotloss said:

Supermarkets dont have tapes.

They'd just type the transaction timestamp into their DVR and up would come the camera feed.

Yep, my local supermarket has the old fashioned security guard at the front doors. She (for some reason there are 3 of them) watches everyone coming in and out and has access to the store-wide CCTV system. This is on top of the security / CCTV operators in the back-room too. So its pretty simple for one of them to spot odd behaviour and to see the same person walking out twice.

Obviously there are plenty of stores where this is not the case and its more down spotting what is where, what to steal and what is the back-up plan. Of course, most stores know about the loss risk and if it suddenly jumps in volume, expect the security to increase dramatically. The losses are balanced against the security though, only the decent stuff tends to be at the bigger stores and they tend to have more security anyway. Pretty obvious really.

[G_T]

WorAl said:

Plotloss said:

Supermarkets dont have tapes.

They'd just type the transaction timestamp into their DVR and up would come the camera feed.

how would they know when it happened?? surely she wont have been the only one to have bought a TV. how do they know she is the one who took it? say they check at the end of the week they will have to check all the video for the one that dissapeared. even that day, its still going to take 10-12 hours to go throught the footage for the day.

Well assuming the supermarket has the facilities they will check the time of the initial transaction. Then they'll check the footage assuming they realise before it's erased by simply skipping to the appropriate time (think 5 minutes not 12 hours).

The staff will probably vaguely remember her description and will confirm her image from the tape. Then, if she was stupid enough to pay by card, they will also have her name (and eventually address from the bank) and will finally have footage of her taking the television.

Then hopefully she'd be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Edited by G_T on Monday 6th July 15:34

[WorAl]

G_T said:

WorAl said:

Plotloss said:

Supermarkets dont have tapes.

They'd just type the transaction timestamp into their DVR and up would come the camera feed.

how would they know when it happened?? surely she wont have been the only one to have bought a TV. how do they know she is the one who took it? say they check at the end of the week they will have to check all the video for the one that dissapeared. even that day, its still going to take 10-12 hours to go throught the footage for the day.

Well assuming the supermarket has the facilities they will check the time of the initial transaction. Then they'll check the footage assuming they realise before it's erased by simply skipping to the appropriate time (think 5 minutes not 12 hours).

The staff will probably vaguely remember her description and will confirm her image from the tape. Then, if she was stupid enough to pay by card, they will also have her name (and eventually address from the bank) and will finally have footage of her taking the television.

Then hopefully she'd be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

Edited by G_T on Monday 6th July 15:34

BUT, they dont know she stole the TV, how do they know when she picked it up and walked out the shop with it? especially considdering she used two seperate cashiers to do the deed. Do you really think they'll gather up the cashiers and ask them if someone walked out the shop with a TV and a reciept for it and bought a bottle of pop?


ETA:

G_T said:

Well assuming the supermarket has the facilities they will check the time of the initial transaction.

this is where you're thinking about it wrong.

Edited by WorAl on Monday 6th July 15:39

[cazzer]

ladedah said:

Err no. She's a nice girl and very intelligent, gives to a lot of charities etc, if thats possible. She doesn't even need two TV's, or the money from them. Strange. Just for the challenge I think. She definately would not be stupid enough to pay by card. Anyway, this is off topic!

So, she's a theif that gives a lot to charities.
No matter how you dress it up or talk round it or say it was for the challenge.
She stole it. It's theft. That makes her a thief.

[Plotloss]

cazzer said:

She stole it. It's theft. That makes her a thief.

And not a very good thief either.

She stole a st telly.

Wheres the motive?

Actually, scratch that, its a good crime, possibly perfect...

[G_T]

ladedah said:

She definately would not be stupid enough to pay by card. Anyway, this is off topic!

I think with the right about of reconnaissance on a store and it's security this would be rather easy to do for a sharp thief, worryingly.

I think paying for a television, in cash, then walking out with it only to walk back in again within 5 minutes to claim you never took it would raise more than enough eye brows to get caught. It's not a common occurance. You can get lucky but the odds are against you. Few thieves avoid prosecution forever.

I think you should advise your friend to stop watching so much Ocean's 11 and find a healthier hobby because, irrespective of charity work, she'd be no better than any other low life. They all have their excuses but they're still scum at the end of the day.

[Jgtv]

Would you get caught?
Well apparently not but I wouldn't bank on it working every time, hopefully one day she will get caught, or she was dumb enough to pay on her card and they pick her up on it.

[Plotloss]

How did she avoid giving her details at the checkout?

Thats a legal requirement - for licensing.

She could have given false details admittedly.

[Bluebarge]

ladedah said:

Deluded said:

SoapyShowerBoy said:

Are they not tagged? If one TV had been purchased, the tag would have been deactivated/taken off. The new TV will still be tagged and set the alarm off.

At which point, you show the security guard the reciept and moan that the checkout person couldn't find it. They let you go.

That might work.

Bluebarge said:

Your friend does not have balls, she is just a crook. She will start stealing your stuff next.

Err no. She's a nice girl and very intelligent, gives to a lot of charities etc, if thats possible. She doesn't even need two TV's, or the money from them. Strange. Just for the challenge I think. She definately would not be stupid enough to pay by card. Anyway, this is off topic - I don't wanna get into the moral dubiousness of the whole thing, just the schematics.

I think with the right about of reconnaissance on a store and it's security this would be rather easy to do for a sharp thief, worryingly.

Edited by ladedah on Monday 6th July 15:39

Your friend steals. She is a thief. She puts a lot of thought into how to steal and then brags about how she got away with it. She is not "nice". She is a crook and the fact that you are interested in the "schematics" of how to shop-lift but are not prepared to condemn your friend, suggests to me that you are tempted to do the same.