What won the war?
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Tomlev40

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351 posts

203 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Now these days there are lots of reasons why the Allies won the war.
There is the Spitfire, Winston Churchill, breaking the Enigma to name a few.
Personaly I thought this man won us the war.

Before you hurl abuse a me, let me explain.
He made lots of wrong decisions that gave us the advantage and his side the diadvantage.
So, what do you think won the war?

Bibbs

3,740 posts

233 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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The other side surrendering.

Fort Jefferson

8,237 posts

245 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Nobody wins wars, one side looses more than the other.

Strangely Brown

13,688 posts

254 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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If I had to pick a single most important thing then it would have to be Ultra. I do half-agree with you though: I have heard many credible commentators say that we didn't win the war but rather they lost it.

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Fort Jefferson said:
Nobody wins wars, one side looses more than the other.
And that leads to the other side losing?

jmorgan

36,010 posts

307 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Production and manufacturing.

paulmurr

4,203 posts

235 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Hitler's decision to invade Russia.

Adam B

29,459 posts

277 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Hitler's stupid strategic decisions

(German tactics were good)

another 3 months of battle of britain focussed on airfields and radar (not bombing london) and RAF would have been stuffed, game over for us I reckon

once UK taken, US would have kept out of it

then should have started on Russia and focussed on 1 front at a time

Edited by Adam B on Tuesday 14th July 17:28

Rude-boy

22,227 posts

256 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Ignoring all the philosophical points, yes I also believe that Hitler remaining in power for as long as he did (effectively the end) was what ultimately lost the war for Nazi Germany.

It could have been a very different story though if the Von Staffenberg (SP?) plot had succeeded.

Even more so if you had removed Georing they would have had a better chance of victory.

I can’t recall facts and figures but a couple of things that point to this are:-

1. Why did the Germans not totally muller us at Dunkirk?
2. Why did Hitler allow Georing to divert aircraft from attacking RAF bases at a point where we were no more than a month away from total destruction of the force. Just because of a couple of miss directed bombs and an ego the size of Germania?
3. Why did the SOE actually spend significant time PREVENTING assassination attempts on Hitler succeeding late on in the war on the direct orders of Churchill?

beefcake42

267 posts

224 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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2 things

1)M1 'Garand' Semi Automatic Rifle

Fire superiority giving those units armed with the weapon the ability to move at much greater speed than those relying on limited numbers of automatic weapons for fire support.

2)Millions of Russians

No real need for editorial there.

NathanJones

713 posts

236 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Russian winter

youngsyr

14,742 posts

215 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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paulmurr said:
Hitler's decision to invade Russia.
I'd put that right up there from what I've read.

Having said that, he nearly pulled it off, and if he had that would have been it for the rest of Europe regardless of pretty much anything else.

bigmac146

184 posts

211 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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I read somewhere (or watched)cant quite remeber now, but it was about Stalin, who reckoned that he had russian agents in place as early 1944 to kill Hitler, but decided against it as he was making too many mistakes that were playing intothe allies hands and to kill him and let a more able general take his place may have been more harmful.

My 2p worth

burger

Ayahuasca

27,560 posts

302 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Is it time for this thread again? Can anyone remember what conclusion we came to last time?

Fort Jefferson

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245 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Justayellowbadge said:
Fort Jefferson said:
Nobody wins wars, one side looses more than the other.
And that leads to the other side losing?
Yeh, thats right, they lost more than we did.

harryowl

1,114 posts

204 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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jmorgan said:
Production and manufacturing.
yes

B-24 production at Fort Worth in Texas:

Ayahuasca

27,560 posts

302 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Fort Jefferson said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Fort Jefferson said:
Nobody wins wars, one side looses more than the other.
And that leads to the other side losing?
Yeh, thats right, they lost more than we did.
So the side that looses more, wins?

Justayellowbadge

37,057 posts

265 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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Ayahuasca said:
Fort Jefferson said:
Justayellowbadge said:
Fort Jefferson said:
Nobody wins wars, one side looses more than the other.
And that leads to the other side losing?
Yeh, thats right, they lost more than we did.
So the side that looses more, wins?
If correctly aimed.

Los Palmas 7

29,908 posts

253 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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My Grandad. Double-hard bd he was.

Murray993

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256 months

Tuesday 14th July 2009
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8 million deaths