The price of paying for essential information!
Discussion
You want to make sure youre doing the right thing and that your product meets the correct standards. So youre forced to pay £170 for the priveldge of finding out!! Surely, if its a British standard and is therefore essential information, without which you couldnt conduct your business, it should be in the public domain for free?
Does anyone have a copy BS EN12899 they would share?
I've thought the same for a long time - it's a bit much to ask you to play by the rules then charge you for the rulebook! (It's not like the charges are related to a printing cost or anything)
Having said that, I can see the argument that someone has to pay for them to be developed and updated...
Having said that, I can see the argument that someone has to pay for them to be developed and updated...
A lot of things now are moving over to ISO rather than BS. But, ty this link and see what you can find http://www.bsi-global.com/
Tom_C76 said:
Why should it be free? Whou would pay for the drafting and research behind the standards? Plus a BS EN is a european document anyway...
Certainly in our industry compliance with the relevant BS isn't compulsory, you can choose any equivalent national standard.
It might not be compulsory, but if it were to go to a court of law for you to prove your work i think you would be hard pressed to explain why you chose to ignore the BS, CoP, ISO, whatever.Certainly in our industry compliance with the relevant BS isn't compulsory, you can choose any equivalent national standard.
I believe access should be free too - this is something that tax money should be spent on IMO.
308mate said:
You want to make sure youre doing the right thing and that your product meets the correct standards. So youre forced to pay £170 for the priveldge of finding out!! Surely, if its a British standard and is therefore essential information, without which you couldnt conduct your business, it should be in the public domain for free?
Does anyone have a copy BS EN12899 they would share?
The online part of our county libraries has a portal to lots of other info..the BSI is one of them I think..are you a member of your library? Can you get it this way?Does anyone have a copy BS EN12899 they would share?
esselte said:
308mate said:
You want to make sure youre doing the right thing and that your product meets the correct standards. So youre forced to pay £170 for the priveldge of finding out!! Surely, if its a British standard and is therefore essential information, without which you couldnt conduct your business, it should be in the public domain for free?
Does anyone have a copy BS EN12899 they would share?
The online part of our county libraries has a portal to lots of other info..the BSI is one of them I think..are you a member of your library? Can you get it this way?Does anyone have a copy BS EN12899 they would share?
Tom_C76 said:
Why should it be free? Whou would pay for the drafting and research behind the standards? Plus a BS EN is a european document anyway...
Certainly in our industry compliance with the relevant BS isn't compulsory, you can choose any equivalent national standard.
But the reality is that the companies who provide representatives to the committees which in turn do the discussion, drafting and also research, do so free of charge. They do this in order to have an input into the standards rather than leaving it all up to their competitors, none of them get a sniff of the fees charged for the end document.Certainly in our industry compliance with the relevant BS isn't compulsory, you can choose any equivalent national standard.
It's immoral to charge to see the law.
Unless you can see it, how do you know if it applies in your circumstances?
Are people expected to buy every law just in case?
If you extended the principle, the government could reduce the speed limit without informing motorists Unless they pay to see the road signs. Then tax the motorists some more for not complying.
How can ignorance be no defence if knowledge of the law is withheld?
Unless you can see it, how do you know if it applies in your circumstances?
Are people expected to buy every law just in case?
If you extended the principle, the government could reduce the speed limit without informing motorists Unless they pay to see the road signs. Then tax the motorists some more for not complying.
How can ignorance be no defence if knowledge of the law is withheld?
308mate said:
You want to make sure youre doing the right thing and that your product meets the correct standards. So youre forced to pay £170 for the priveldge of finding out!! Surely, if its a British standard and is therefore essential information, without which you couldnt conduct your business, it should be in the public domain for free?
Does anyone have a copy BS EN12899 they would share?
Check out your local library!!!!Does anyone have a copy BS EN12899 they would share?
voyds9 said:
sleep envy said:
Uncle Fester said:
It's immoral to charge to see the law.
BS or ISO aren't the law...if you want it pay for it, if you don't then you don't have an extra O/H
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