Should school teachers have to change pupil's nappies??
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I have just been made aware that there is a growing issue of 'parents' failing to 'house train' their kids before they go off to big school!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducat...
Teachers and teaching 'ass'istants are expected to change their nappies and toilet train them??? At Junior school!!! They are wearing nappies until they 6-7 years old FFS.
We now have the situation where you can't apply suncream to their arms, incase of innapropriate touching but you ARE expected to clean them up when they s
t themselves in class...
Incredible!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/primaryeducat...
Teachers and teaching 'ass'istants are expected to change their nappies and toilet train them??? At Junior school!!! They are wearing nappies until they 6-7 years old FFS.
We now have the situation where you can't apply suncream to their arms, incase of innapropriate touching but you ARE expected to clean them up when they s
t themselves in class...Incredible!
I am rather embarrassed to say that my son, who has just turned 3, is still in nappies overnight. I am afraid I am leaving him until he is ready - though there will come a point where we have to try to get him out of them.
That's what I dont' underdstand - surely ther emust come a point where you realise that your child is behind others and you need help tp sort this out. It smacks of sheer laziness in most cases. (of course children with disabilities are a different proposition)
That's what I dont' underdstand - surely ther emust come a point where you realise that your child is behind others and you need help tp sort this out. It smacks of sheer laziness in most cases. (of course children with disabilities are a different proposition)
Hedders said:
We now have the situation where you can't apply suncream to their arms, incase of innapropriate touching but you ARE expected to clean them up when they st themselves in class...
Incredible!
Utter madness!t themselves in class...Incredible!
There is no way, if I was a teacher that Id be changing kids nappies!
Coco H said:
I am rather embarrassed to say that my son, who has just turned 3, is still in nappies overnight. I am afraid I am leaving him until he is ready - though there will come a point where we have to try to get him out of them.
That's what I dont' underdstand - surely ther emust come a point where you realise that your child is behind others and you need help tp sort this out. It smacks of sheer laziness in most cases. (of course children with disabilities are a different proposition)
No point in pushing them, friend did this with their son and he still has issues at four and a half which I'm sure are related to unnecessary early pressure. We just left ours until he was ready (3 and a half) and we never had a 'bad' incident - ever. He was 'trained' in two weeks. Plan to do the same with youngest. Seven or eight is a different matter though.. That's what I dont' underdstand - surely ther emust come a point where you realise that your child is behind others and you need help tp sort this out. It smacks of sheer laziness in most cases. (of course children with disabilities are a different proposition)
My grand-daughter (almost 3) uses the toilet most times. Our problem is when she is with the child-minder 1 day a week - the child minder sticks a nappy on her, which then sets her back for the next couple of days.
Which leads me to conclude that with so many parents rushing back to work and leaving kids at child-mimders and nurseries, the toilet training is assumed to be being done by the nursey etc, so the parents, when they get the kid home at night, knows nothing about what has happened since breakfast time.
So in some way I agree that it's just ignorance and laziness of SOME parents to ensure that proper training is carried out at the right stage - i.e. 2 - 3 years. I accept there are exceptions for some kids with disabilities and learning difficulties - but no excuse for others.
Which leads me to conclude that with so many parents rushing back to work and leaving kids at child-mimders and nurseries, the toilet training is assumed to be being done by the nursey etc, so the parents, when they get the kid home at night, knows nothing about what has happened since breakfast time.
So in some way I agree that it's just ignorance and laziness of SOME parents to ensure that proper training is carried out at the right stage - i.e. 2 - 3 years. I accept there are exceptions for some kids with disabilities and learning difficulties - but no excuse for others.
It's becoming policy (don't know how official that policy is) that children aren't allowed to start pre-school here (age 3+) unless that are fully toilet trained and out of nappies through the day. Don't think nursery teachers are actually allowed to change the kids if they have soiled themselves - think they have to contact the parents to come in to do it.
By the time they are at school proper ie age 5+ surely there is no excuse for being in nappies.
By the time they are at school proper ie age 5+ surely there is no excuse for being in nappies.
Yup, my missus is a primary teacher.
There is one child in her class (Year 2 so 6-7 year olds) who was still in nappies last year. They (the teachers, not parents!!) have weened him off them but he still regularly sts himself and they have to deal with it.
Two of them have to be in the room of course. One to clean up, the other to check the first is not fiddling.
There is one child in her class (Year 2 so 6-7 year olds) who was still in nappies last year. They (the teachers, not parents!!) have weened him off them but he still regularly s
ts himself and they have to deal with it. Two of them have to be in the room of course. One to clean up, the other to check the first is not fiddling.
TedMaul said:
Sometimes you get the feeling that the evolutionary process operated in much the same way as an elastic band and that we have reached its tensile limits and we are about to be catapulted backwards at an alarming rate...
If you've not seen it, you'd enjoy the film Idiocracy!http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0387808/
Legend83 said:
Yup, my missus is a primary teacher.
There is one child in her class (Year 2 so 6-7 year olds) who was still in nappies last year. They (the teachers, not parents!!) have weened him off them but he still regularly sts himself and they have to deal with it.
Two of them have to be in the room of course. One to clean up, the other to check the first is not fiddling.
Jeez, that's bad!There is one child in her class (Year 2 so 6-7 year olds) who was still in nappies last year. They (the teachers, not parents!!) have weened him off them but he still regularly s
ts himself and they have to deal with it. Two of them have to be in the room of course. One to clean up, the other to check the first is not fiddling.
My kids were fully trained before going to school. My son took a little longer than my daughter but this is totally normal as girls are better than boys in this respect. However, it is utterly unacceptible that people could send their children to school like this. As members of society, we have a number of responsibilities - one of which is to make sure your children have the basic skills and abilities. We are provided with free schooling and the very least we can do is make sure they are clean, tidy and able to use the flipping toilet....
Shocking.
Coco H said:
I am rather embarrassed to say that my son, who has just turned 3, is still in nappies overnight. I am afraid I am leaving him until he is ready - though there will come a point where we have to try to get him out of them.
That's what I dont' underdstand - surely ther emust come a point where you realise that your child is behind others and you need help tp sort this out. It smacks of sheer laziness in most cases. (of course children with disabilities are a different proposition)
erm, thats quite normal, dont sweat it. He's only three, some "get it" quicker than others.That's what I dont' underdstand - surely ther emust come a point where you realise that your child is behind others and you need help tp sort this out. It smacks of sheer laziness in most cases. (of course children with disabilities are a different proposition)
You can either wait a bit and he'll get the hang of it eventually, or just put a pee-proof matress cover on and remove the nappies, it'll mean a few disturbed nights for you but he'll soon get the hang of it, having to get out of warm cosy bed to go for a tinkle is a lot less hasstle than getting all wet, change of bedsheets by mum and dad and a shower at 3am.
Over here in Belg, it is expected that to put your kids into the first part of school (which starts at 2.5 - 3 years) they should be out of nappies and using a toilet. (they have mini munchkin toilets for them to use so its not like they're expecting them to climb up a giant chunk of porcelain or anything).
As has been said above, its a worry though, because we (as most parents probably are) in the situation of both having to work, it falls to either the creche to begin the training, or hope that weekends and evenings you can start to coax them out of nappies.
On a connected subject. I used to work with a woman who was still sneakily breast feeding her son at 5 years (ie not letting the father know as he didnt deem it appropriate), also letting nipper sleep in her bed every night, and Im pretty sure there was a 'toilet issue' here too
As has been said above, its a worry though, because we (as most parents probably are) in the situation of both having to work, it falls to either the creche to begin the training, or hope that weekends and evenings you can start to coax them out of nappies.
On a connected subject. I used to work with a woman who was still sneakily breast feeding her son at 5 years (ie not letting the father know as he didnt deem it appropriate), also letting nipper sleep in her bed every night, and Im pretty sure there was a 'toilet issue' here too
Zod said:
What makes this even worse is that a child at shcool in nappies is classed as "disabled", meaning that hte school gets extra money in respect of that child, so that schools are incentivised NOT to complain to parents about their rubbish parenting.
Can I have one of those badges to park appaulingly anywhere I like if I where a nappy then? ;0) Thats not a pretty thought actually - forget I even mentioned it... as you were!
Zod said:
What makes this even worse is that a child at shcool in nappies is classed as "disabled", meaning that hte school gets extra money in respect of that child, so that schools are incentivised NOT to complain to parents about their rubbish parenting.
Actually that reminds me of what happened to someone we know who has a child with learning difficulties. They were taking their daughter to school as normal and didn't think about anything until when she said something about getting wet in all of the rain a few months ago, seemed odd so pushed on what was happening. Turned out that she was getting dropped off at one school and then the teaching assistants were taking her to a different school that specialised in teaching children like this! When challenged the school denied everything, so she waited for them one day - confronted them and threatened to call the local education department about this.Turned out the schools were colluding together to get 'double bubble' for this 'disabled child'. One school was getting the extra money, event though they weren't teaching her and the second school just submitted the numbers for funding.
I suggested to the parents that they take this further as their daughter had been used, but they just wanted to get her in a decent school where she was happy. The dropped everything and just wanted to move on - which is great for them. The family is happy now and everything is sorted, but this manipulation of the rules is shocking.
I can't see how a School would allow this given the scares about teachers touching children full stop, I mean, they aren't supposed to cuddle a child or give them a hug if they are crying etc.. yet they can take all their clothes off and wipe their butts?
And in respect of the question - NO.
And in respect of the question - NO.
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