Defeatist Mentality.
Defeatist Mentality.
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whitevanman88

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1,012 posts

203 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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WHY are so many people employing a defeatist / failure mentality these days? I don't think I have one friend who believes in them self enough to actually go and try something new / different...

Needless to say these people regularly end up being "depressed". One might think that if they gave themselves a chance they might be surprised with what they can do / achieve.

Non?

AB

19,617 posts

218 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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Maybe...

dougc

8,240 posts

288 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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I can't be arsed to answer, it'll only be wrong.

fathomfive

11,066 posts

213 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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I'd love to try something new. I just don't think I'd like it.

smash_bannana

179 posts

238 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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its just the difference between doers and donters so fk them and let them wallow in thier own self pity.

ShadownINja

79,371 posts

305 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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whitevanman88 said:
WHY are so many people employing a defeatist / failure mentality these days? I don't think I have one friend who believes in them self enough to actually go and try something new / different...

Needless to say these people regularly end up being "depressed". One might think that if they gave themselves a chance they might be surprised with what they can do / achieve.

Non?
Wow. That's quite "bad". I think 30% of my friends/acquaintances have the relevant drive and enthusiasm and are currently trying something new/different or completely changing their lives, another 30% on the cusp and the remaining 40%... well, the less said about those losers the better... hehe

Is it not possible many of your friends don't want to say anything in case the negative gits around them bring them down to their level so they keep quiet and plot away secretly? The problem today is that if you tell your friends/family you're going to quit your job (assuming you're employed) and start a new business, most of them will have a negative attitude towards the idea ("You? What do you know about running a business?" "What? It's safer to work for someone and have a regular salary." "Don't you know 80% of small businesses fail in their first year?" etc). So you keep quiet and just get on with it.

If I'm wrong, then perhaps it's time to find new friends as decent friends would encourage you not hold you back. If you do want to break out of the mould, then you don't need the negative energy of others holding you back; you need the positive support that encourages you to keep going especially when things don't go as smoothly as you hoped. At the first sign of a problem, you don't want some git saying, "See, I told you so." You want others to inspire you to keep pushing through the difficulty.

Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 15th August 17:23

whitevanman88

Original Poster:

1,012 posts

203 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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ShadownINja said:
whitevanman88 said:
WHY are so many people employing a defeatist / failure mentality these days? I don't think I have one friend who believes in them self enough to actually go and try something new / different...

Needless to say these people regularly end up being "depressed". One might think that if they gave themselves a chance they might be surprised with what they can do / achieve.

Non?
Wow. That's quite "bad". I think 30% of my friends/acquaintances have the relevant drive and enthusiasm and are currently trying something new/different or completely changing their lives, another 30% on the cusp and the remaining 40%... well, the less said about those losers the better... hehe

Is it not possible many of your friends don't want to say anything in case the negative gits around them bring them down to their level so they keep quiet and plot away secretly? The problem today is that if you tell your friends/family you're going to quit your job (assuming you're employed) and start a new business, most of them will have a negative attitude towards the idea ("You? What do you know about running a business?" "What? It's safer to work for someone and have a regular salary." "Don't you know 80% of small businesses fail in their first year?" etc). So you keep quiet and just get on with it.

If I'm wrong, then perhaps it's time to find new friends as decent friends would encourage you not hold you back. If you do want to break out of the mould, then you don't need the negative energy of others holding you back; you need the positive support that encourages you to keep going especially when things don't go as smoothly as you hoped. At the first sign of a problem, you don't want some git saying, "See, I told you so." You want others to inspire you to keep pushing through the difficulty.

Edited by ShadownINja on Saturday 15th August 17:23
I'm sure you've hit the nail on the head there. It seems people like to keep their heads down.

It isn't just my friends, I was more thinking of in general. People just don't seem to give a fk anymore.

ShadownINja

79,371 posts

305 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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I suppose one example might be that if we become successful, we get taxed. We just have to work out how to get around this legally. Handy thing those accountants.

Pigeon

18,535 posts

269 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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It's simply the way the world is that any measure of good you can get out of it requires enduring ten measures of st as its price. There's no point trying to make anything better because that inevitably entails ten times the value of "better" being exacted in "worse" so you always end up at minus ninety percent no matter what you do. It's like the second law of thermodynamics - you can't win, and you can't even break even. Only with thermodynamics you can at least shuffle the entropy off somewhere where you can ignore it, whereas with life the st stays with you. The optimum situation is not to be conceived in the first place.

turbobloke

115,888 posts

283 months

Saturday 15th August 2009
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Pigeon didn't but might have said:
The optimum situation is never vote Labour in the first place or ever again.
However bad Call Me Dave might be it'll be worth it just to see the back of this shower of shoeshine.