What did Hitler have against the jews?
What did Hitler have against the jews?
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jimothy

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266 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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As the title really. I've read loads about what his cronies did (and he cleverly never asked them directly to do), but why? Why was there a 'jewish problem' that needed a final solution?

Any historians able to shed some light or direct me to some good reading matter?

TheEnd

15,370 posts

217 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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I don't think it was a personal thing, but more Germany was in a state, so people blamed the Jews, in a similar way immigrants being blamed for the UK, despite us having enough homegrown scum to make any anything else a drop in the ocean.

Steamer

14,179 posts

242 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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Sounds like somebody has been watching the 'Yesterday' Channel.

...I watched a series of documentaries about Auschwitz on there one Bank Holiday - it was morbidly compelling watching that simply left me numb.

It still didnt compare to actually visiting though frown

LividSV

1,335 posts

221 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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OP read Mein Kampf..

The short of it is, WW1 Germany ruined.... blame the Jews for every problem, no Jews, no problems

jimothy

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266 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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TheEnd said:
I don't think it was a personal thing, but more Germany was in a state, so people blamed the Jews, in a similar way immigrants being blamed for the UK, despite us having enough homegrown scum to make any anything else a drop in the ocean.
So he kind of jumped on the bandwagon sort of thing? You all hate them therefore I'm going to hate them so you vote for me...

Wacky Racer

41,290 posts

276 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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This infamous Nazi propoganda film speaks for itself.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxTmH5KGGo

minimatt1967

17,381 posts

235 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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the Jews have been blamed for many things throughout history so they are a suitable scapegoat.

Fittster

20,120 posts

242 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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Usury has always caused friction between Christians/Muslims and Jews.

Twit

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293 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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It was kind of was a personal thing...

Start with Mein Kampf, that will at least give a basis to go from - it was written from prison following the failed putsch (I think that is spelt wrong!!)

My knowledge is pretty basic but his view was that a Jewish conspiracy had persuaded the germans to surrender in the First World War without actually being defeated on the battlefield. From there its all pretty well known - depression formed the breeding ground for the Nazis in Germany and many people were persuaded to look the other way.

There is a book called a 'Hitler - a study in tyranny'. I read it a long time ago and its really detailed but I can't remember who wrote it.


TheEnd

15,370 posts

217 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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jimothy said:
TheEnd said:
I don't think it was a personal thing, but more Germany was in a state, so people blamed the Jews, in a similar way immigrants being blamed for the UK, despite us having enough homegrown scum to make any anything else a drop in the ocean.
So he kind of jumped on the bandwagon sort of thing? You all hate them therefore I'm going to hate them so you vote for me...
Well, i think at one stage most of Germany hated them, and his ideas were to grab Germany by the neck and sort it out the tough way. I'm not much of a historian here regarding 70 year old politics, but i don't think it was in his manifesto, his whole thing wasn't to eradicate Jews, but he did seize upon this odd aryan master race, and that Germany should take it's rightful place, and be in control of europe.

The odd thing is the Aryan race is most accurately represented by Iranians.

Wacky Racer

41,290 posts

276 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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TheEnd said:
The odd thing is the Aryan race is most accurately represented by Iranians.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

telecat

8,528 posts

270 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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It goes back along way, pre-dating Hitler by 1000's of years. The Romans/Byzantines repressed and expelled the Jew's from the Middle Eastern lands they occupied, basically because the religion was not the same as theirs. In Europe were many found themselves, the Romans had established Christianity and as they were not seen as Christian they were considered second class citizens. The "Ghettos" were initially created in Papal States and pre-date Hitler by many years. In essence Hitler merely stirred up the "old" differences that had been stifled in the creation of secular states in Europe. They were an easily identifiable target for his propaganda to blame for society's ills.

Funnily enough the relationship with Muslims was until recently pretty good if erratic. The return of many Jews to what they see as their Homeland caused problems within the Arab world which led to the current "frosty" relations

Blib

48,054 posts

226 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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Fittster said:
Usury has always caused friction between Christians/Muslims and Jews.
I see what you did there.

Poledriver

29,585 posts

223 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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It wasn't just Jews! Before they were sent to camps they "cleansed" Germany of Black people, mentally disabled and gypsies (can we do that too? The pikey bit I mean). It was being done in order to ensure a pure Aryan-blooded population!

+1 for Mien Kampf, it's an interesting read!

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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Twit said:
There is a book called a 'Hitler - a study in tyranny'. I read it a long time ago and its really detailed but I can't remember who wrote it.
Alan Bullock. He also wrote 'Hitler & Stalin - Parallel Lives'.


Essentially, Stalin got away with it because he won (and was smarter)

minimatt1967

17,381 posts

235 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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Simpo Two said:
Twit said:
There is a book called a 'Hitler - a study in tyranny'. I read it a long time ago and its really detailed but I can't remember who wrote it.
Alan Bullock. He also wrote 'Hitler & Stalin - Parallel Lives'.


Essentially, Stalin got away with it because he won (and was smarter)
indeed as the Stalin uncovered demonstrated only too well! Quite disturbing what that man did to his own people, and the Polish et al!

cazzer

8,883 posts

277 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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Payback for the Titanic....

Simpo Two

92,708 posts

294 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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cazzer said:
Payback for the Titanic....
As the chap from Harland & Wolff said, 'Well it was OK when it left here!'

Marquis_Rex

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268 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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Wacky Racer said:
This infamous Nazi propoganda film speaks for itself.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OxTmH5KGGo
It is interesting that the aspect that has carried over to modern day Germany is the pride in peoples crafts, be they mechanics, tyre fitters, carpenters or even engineers.

This is a far cry from the bitter disgruntled lazy blue collar working classes in the UK...

Uhura_Fighter

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212 months

Sunday 6th September 2009
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jimothy said:
As the title really. I've read loads about what his cronies did (and he cleverly never asked them directly to do), but why? Why was there a 'jewish problem' that needed a final solution?

Any historians able to shed some light or direct me to some good reading matter?
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