Kenco 'eco' packaging.
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Not sure if this fits in Food/Drink or TV but I do think this is the best place as it touches on all aspects.
The ad for the Kenco 97% less packaging, did this piss anyone else off? First of all the 97% is by weight plastic verses glass. Second, how is this more green, I can recycle my glass but you can bet that the new eco packaging will be going to landfill. I don't know if the price is less but I doubt it.
So this is another case of cost cutting being dressed up as eco.
The ad for the Kenco 97% less packaging, did this piss anyone else off? First of all the 97% is by weight plastic verses glass. Second, how is this more green, I can recycle my glass but you can bet that the new eco packaging will be going to landfill. I don't know if the price is less but I doubt it.
So this is another case of cost cutting being dressed up as eco.
Plastic in the main is NOT recycled (about 7-12% depending where you are in EU), glass and aluminium are the only 100% recyclable packaging materials.
Packaging of mixed materials (plastic bottle with label for example) are usually shredded and the contaminated parts not recycled. Pure plastic (marked with EC sign showing type of plastic) MAY be recycled but the sorting costs more than the plastic is worth and unless there are recycling subsidies (in some EU countries) it'll just get junked or sent to China where we pay to get them to "recycle" it.
If the mentioned Kenco packaging is a change from a glass bottle to a plastic one, I'd assume it's purely a cost thing and certainly not ecological.... you're being sold a pup if they claim otherwise....
Packaging of mixed materials (plastic bottle with label for example) are usually shredded and the contaminated parts not recycled. Pure plastic (marked with EC sign showing type of plastic) MAY be recycled but the sorting costs more than the plastic is worth and unless there are recycling subsidies (in some EU countries) it'll just get junked or sent to China where we pay to get them to "recycle" it.
If the mentioned Kenco packaging is a change from a glass bottle to a plastic one, I'd assume it's purely a cost thing and certainly not ecological.... you're being sold a pup if they claim otherwise....
JMGS4 said:
If the mentioned Kenco packaging is a change from a glass bottle to a plastic one, I'd assume it's purely a cost thing and certainly not ecological.... you're being sold a pup if they claim otherwise....
Its a change from a glass Jar (Which they intend you reuse) to top ups from foil lined plastic bags.Sounds like a con then to me.
Bullett said:
So this is another case of cost cutting being dressed up as eco.
Cost cutting in every way, cheaper to manufacure and transport - can claim it is "eco friendly" and hopefully save money and sell more - An excellent example of a business saving money and jumping on the eco bandwagon to make profit. Fair play to them I say.Sarkmeister said:
There is still an amount of energy associated with recycling glass. I'm assuming that is more that the energy/resources associated with making the new eco packaging (thought I might be wrong)
The lighter packaging also save energy when it comes to transport.
using recycled glass is cheaper than using the raw materials to make glass - the temperature required to melt the glass is lower for recycled frit than sand / lime etc.The lighter packaging also save energy when it comes to transport.
That's why broken glass is one of the ingredients for all glass - even flat glass has recycled glass in it.
aclivity said:
Sarkmeister said:
There is still an amount of energy associated with recycling glass. I'm assuming that is more that the energy/resources associated with making the new eco packaging (thought I might be wrong)
The lighter packaging also save energy when it comes to transport.
using recycled glass is cheaper than using the raw materials to make glass - the temperature required to melt the glass is lower for recycled frit than sand / lime etc.The lighter packaging also save energy when it comes to transport.
That's why broken glass is one of the ingredients for all glass - even flat glass has recycled glass in it.
We probably should have all food in tins cans which can be easily recycled and are lighter than glass. There is no need whatsoever for fancy packaging of any description. A few draconian laws and everyones cupboard would be filled with 3-4 sizes of tin can and plain cardboard boxes. Nothing wrong with that it's only food.
Of course if you want to pay 8 quid for a fancy bottle with a sprig of something floating around in be my guest.
Of course if you want to pay 8 quid for a fancy bottle with a sprig of something floating around in be my guest.
Edited by peterperkins on Monday 5th October 16:12
Simpo Two said:
97% lighter?
Heck, I should pay 97% less for it then!
Actually that did feck me off. The 97% less packaging didn't reduce the cost of the packet of coffee at all. They should share their savings with their clients if they want to make 'em happy. I'd split the saving 50/50 with 'em happily! But no...Heck, I should pay 97% less for it then!
All the same: it means I will have to take the glass to the dump less often and that's good.
If it was in a paper bag of some sort and cheaper then this thread would be a lot different. How they can be charging more is beyond me, do they thik people are mugs? Less packaging, less cost (No Glass) less price. Personally can't stand instant if it doesn't resemble a bean im not drinking it.
BoRED S2upid said:
If it was in a paper bag of some sort and cheaper then this thread would be a lot different. How they can be charging more is beyond me, do they thik people are mugs? Less packaging, less cost (No Glass) less price. Personally can't stand instant if it doesn't resemble a bean im not drinking it.
The problem is people in general ARE mugs.People buy "friendly bacteria" yoghurts that taste like crap for percieved health benefits. They buy anti-ageing creams and snake oil of every description, they buy bits for their Corsas that they believe will give them power gains... The list is endless.
People on the whole buy into the message that they are fed. They watch the X-factor and care about it. God forbid Big Brother is popular.
People who never knew her were upset when Jade Goody died...
Tell people often enough that it's "ecofriendly" and they will buy into it. The vast majority of the population (including a fair chunk of my family mores the pity) use no critical reasoning whatsoever and dont have the general knowledge and basic scientific information to realise for themselves things like plastic vs glass recycling...
- Hangs his head in dispair at the majority of the population*
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