Clocks going back on Sunday 25th
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it is already dark when we leave home and when we leave work in the evening! Got to say though, that it's a good job I'm not working on saturday night!! 
G-Doo!
Saddle bum said:
tvradict said:
what does European time have to do with moving the clocks???
Europe is permanently one hour ahead. It would suit us to adopt that time zone.I dont see why adopting european time would make any difference to us at all.
tvradict said:
Saddle bum said:
tvradict said:
what does European time have to do with moving the clocks???
Europe is permanently one hour ahead. It would suit us to adopt that time zone.I dont see why adopting european time would make any difference to us at all.
cronk-flakes said:
tvradict said:
Saddle bum said:
tvradict said:
what does European time have to do with moving the clocks???
Europe is permanently one hour ahead. It would suit us to adopt that time zone.I dont see why adopting european time would make any difference to us at all.
I leave for work at 6.30am and come home 6.30-7pm so it's already dark both ends of the day!
I think it may make it sl lighter in the mornings for a while which will make it easier for me to walk the dog before I start work (He comes to work with me)
I will look forward to the hour extra sleep though
I think it may make it sl lighter in the mornings for a while which will make it easier for me to walk the dog before I start work (He comes to work with me)
I will look forward to the hour extra sleep though
Edited by becksW on Thursday 22 October 20:20
tvradict said:
Saddle bum said:
tvradict said:
what does European time have to do with moving the clocks???
Europe is permanently one hour ahead. It would suit us to adopt that time zone.I dont see why adopting european time would make any difference to us at all.
from somewhere else said:
Should we switch to European Time?
As the clocks go back this Sunday, Alistair Horne wonders why we haven't yet switched to European Time.
By Alistair Horne
Published: 7:00AM BST 22 Oct 2009
We are about to plunge into six months of dark afternoons as we leave British Summer Time Photo: DEREK BLAIR
It is less than two months since the Lockerbie bomber was sent back to Libya, courtesy of the humane – and increasingly independent – government of Scotland.
It provoked the worst set-back in relations between the UK and the USA in over three decades. But only a little less significant was the fact that the UK Government's case to the US then rested effectively on the realities of Scottish devolution.
Maybe the moment has now come for that devolution to be put seriously to the test. One immediate measure would be to press for England and Wales to go on European time.
Think about it as we head, this Sunday – yet again – into six months of dark afternoons as we leave British summer time. By contrast those lucky French, who inhabit exactly the same longitude as ourselves, will enjoy an extra hour in winter afternoons; while in summer they have those gorgeously long days that seem to go on forever.
When you look at the map, it is quite grotesque. European Time runs from the eastern border of Poland to Portugal. Yet, though Britain lies well east of Portugal, we – alone in Europe – are on the same time zone as Lisbon. Look at North America, where – over the vast space of three thousand miles – time is spread out over four logically selected zones.
To change British clocks requires a parliamentary bill. Yet hitherto every move towards the eminently sensible goal of going on to the same time as western Europe has been thwarted by leaders of both major parties, pandering to a small minority of the Scottish vote. Is it not now appropriate for a devolved Scotland, wishing increasingly to manage its own affairs, to decide on its own time zone, and leave us to embark on the course of scientific reason?
Time is surely the one commodity we share, or could share, with Europe, without causing affront to British Eurosceptics.
The story of trying to get this through both Houses of Parliament has been a long and troublesome one. Bar the Scots, and a few back-woodsmen farmers in North Yorkshire, there is a considerable, and growing lobby for it.
It will certainly be brought up again in the next session; hitherto it has been defeated by both parties concerned about the rump of their voters in Scotland, the Scots farmers representing perhaps 1% of the UK vote. With devolution all this has changed. The Tories alone have all too few voters in Scotland to make a difference to party fortunes.
I personally have battled, so far in vain, for this issue from twenty years ago as a member of the Franco-British Council; a body charged with the task of improving the entente cordiale. Then virtually all our members – trades unionists, industrialists and politician alike – were for changing our clocks. We even had carried out an actuarial study which proved that the extra hour of light in the winter evening would indeed save Scots' lives – ie. more children were run over coming back from school, tired, in the dark, than going to school in the morning.
But can you persuade the Scots of anything? And I say this with feeling as I am 99 per cent Scot. So let us go it alone, over the next year, as a priority – once the fatiguing matter of MPs expenses has been sorted out.
As the clocks go back this Sunday, Alistair Horne wonders why we haven't yet switched to European Time.
By Alistair Horne
Published: 7:00AM BST 22 Oct 2009
We are about to plunge into six months of dark afternoons as we leave British Summer Time Photo: DEREK BLAIR
It is less than two months since the Lockerbie bomber was sent back to Libya, courtesy of the humane – and increasingly independent – government of Scotland.
It provoked the worst set-back in relations between the UK and the USA in over three decades. But only a little less significant was the fact that the UK Government's case to the US then rested effectively on the realities of Scottish devolution.
Maybe the moment has now come for that devolution to be put seriously to the test. One immediate measure would be to press for England and Wales to go on European time.
Think about it as we head, this Sunday – yet again – into six months of dark afternoons as we leave British summer time. By contrast those lucky French, who inhabit exactly the same longitude as ourselves, will enjoy an extra hour in winter afternoons; while in summer they have those gorgeously long days that seem to go on forever.
When you look at the map, it is quite grotesque. European Time runs from the eastern border of Poland to Portugal. Yet, though Britain lies well east of Portugal, we – alone in Europe – are on the same time zone as Lisbon. Look at North America, where – over the vast space of three thousand miles – time is spread out over four logically selected zones.
To change British clocks requires a parliamentary bill. Yet hitherto every move towards the eminently sensible goal of going on to the same time as western Europe has been thwarted by leaders of both major parties, pandering to a small minority of the Scottish vote. Is it not now appropriate for a devolved Scotland, wishing increasingly to manage its own affairs, to decide on its own time zone, and leave us to embark on the course of scientific reason?
Time is surely the one commodity we share, or could share, with Europe, without causing affront to British Eurosceptics.
The story of trying to get this through both Houses of Parliament has been a long and troublesome one. Bar the Scots, and a few back-woodsmen farmers in North Yorkshire, there is a considerable, and growing lobby for it.
It will certainly be brought up again in the next session; hitherto it has been defeated by both parties concerned about the rump of their voters in Scotland, the Scots farmers representing perhaps 1% of the UK vote. With devolution all this has changed. The Tories alone have all too few voters in Scotland to make a difference to party fortunes.
I personally have battled, so far in vain, for this issue from twenty years ago as a member of the Franco-British Council; a body charged with the task of improving the entente cordiale. Then virtually all our members – trades unionists, industrialists and politician alike – were for changing our clocks. We even had carried out an actuarial study which proved that the extra hour of light in the winter evening would indeed save Scots' lives – ie. more children were run over coming back from school, tired, in the dark, than going to school in the morning.
But can you persuade the Scots of anything? And I say this with feeling as I am 99 per cent Scot. So let us go it alone, over the next year, as a priority – once the fatiguing matter of MPs expenses has been sorted out.
- 'Kissinger's Year: 1973' by Alistair Horne (Weidenfeld & Nicolson) is available from Telegraph Books for £18 + £1.25 p&p. Call 0844 871 1515 or visit books.telegraph.co.uk
Edited by Saddle bum on Thursday 22 October 23:29
Saddle bum said:
tvradict said:
Saddle bum said:
tvradict said:
what does European time have to do with moving the clocks???
Europe is permanently one hour ahead. It would suit us to adopt that time zone.I dont see why adopting european time would make any difference to us at all.
I don't understand this idea of making GMT permanently into GMT+1 - what does GMT then become?
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