Do Aussie aboriginies come over here to work?
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No not really, unless they are on some rights tour or art exhibition and maybe part of yothu jindi! 
Aboriginies are very different to Maoris in NZ, rather hunter gatherers than warriors like their neighbouring indiginuos friends. I don't think they are interested in leaving. Also Oz whites don't generally give a toss about them but there are always the racists who go put their way to abuse them, then you have the do gooders who cause most of the modern day unrest.
White New Zealanders by comparison all know some Maori language and I also noticed their passports are in both languages. I got the impression they ate quite proud of them.
I hitched hiked up the easy coast of Oz once. A car stopped, a battered Datsun, and I jumped on the back. The two occupants laughed and one said "You're not from Oz are ya mate!"
"What makes you say that?" I asked
"You wouldn't have got in the car otherwise!" as they both laughed.
Top, top blokes they were.
Eta God I went off on one then!
Aboriginies are very different to Maoris in NZ, rather hunter gatherers than warriors like their neighbouring indiginuos friends. I don't think they are interested in leaving. Also Oz whites don't generally give a toss about them but there are always the racists who go put their way to abuse them, then you have the do gooders who cause most of the modern day unrest.
White New Zealanders by comparison all know some Maori language and I also noticed their passports are in both languages. I got the impression they ate quite proud of them.
I hitched hiked up the easy coast of Oz once. A car stopped, a battered Datsun, and I jumped on the back. The two occupants laughed and one said "You're not from Oz are ya mate!"
"What makes you say that?" I asked
"You wouldn't have got in the car otherwise!" as they both laughed.
Top, top blokes they were.
Eta God I went off on one then!
Edited by GTIR on Wednesday 13th January 19:52
Not from Australia, but did anyone see this programme about 4 Pacific islanders who visited the UK?
Their whole reason for coming was to meet Prince Philip who they thought was their god...
Utterly hilarious, and they were so down to earth and grounded. Sometimes you think the world would be better without development.
Their whole reason for coming was to meet Prince Philip who they thought was their god...
Utterly hilarious, and they were so down to earth and grounded. Sometimes you think the world would be better without development.
Puggit said:
Not from Australia, but did anyone see this programme about 4 Pacific islanders who visited the UK?
Their whole reason for coming was to meet Prince Philip who they thought was their god...
Utterly hilarious, and they were so down to earth and grounded. Sometimes you think the world would be better without development.
That show was brilliant. Their whole reason for coming was to meet Prince Philip who they thought was their god...
Utterly hilarious, and they were so down to earth and grounded. Sometimes you think the world would be better without development.
You just couldn't help but love those guys!
At the end of a tiny, deserted bar is a huge Aboriginal bloke 2 metres tall and 150 kilos. He's having a few beers when a short, well-dressed and obviously gay man walks in and sits beside him.
After three or four beers the gay fella finally plucks up the courage to say something to the big fella. Leaning over towards the Aboriginal he whispers, "Can I give you a blow-job?"
At this the massive Aboriginal leaps up with fire in his eyes and smacks the man in the face, knocking him swiftly off the stool. He proceeds to beat him all the way out of the bar before leaving him bruised and battered in the car park and returning to his seat.
Amazed, the barman quickly brings over another beer. "I've never seen you react like that," he says, "just what did he say to you?"
"I'm not sure", the big Aboriginal replies, "something about getting a job."
The only flaw in this joke is that our indigenous friends aren't allowed in bars.
After three or four beers the gay fella finally plucks up the courage to say something to the big fella. Leaning over towards the Aboriginal he whispers, "Can I give you a blow-job?"
At this the massive Aboriginal leaps up with fire in his eyes and smacks the man in the face, knocking him swiftly off the stool. He proceeds to beat him all the way out of the bar before leaving him bruised and battered in the car park and returning to his seat.
Amazed, the barman quickly brings over another beer. "I've never seen you react like that," he says, "just what did he say to you?"
"I'm not sure", the big Aboriginal replies, "something about getting a job."
The only flaw in this joke is that our indigenous friends aren't allowed in bars.
Same sad joke is used for scousers (or whomever) in the UK.
hewlett said:
I just wondered as I've never ever met one over here like you do the 1000's of mainly white Aussies.
Prolly not arsed aboot coming over here getting drunk and loud and blathering on aboot cricket.Edited by Halb on Wednesday 13th January 23:04
They do, seemingly for bar work and travel, just like many other young Aussies, if they get to the same stage in education. But even that is pretty rare and I've never met one in an office environment to my knowledge.
Interestingly, around 100 years ago they were brought over to play rugby: a sub 10 seconds 100m isn't (well wasn't) rare among them. You'll have to seek that sort of info out, though, history has not been very fair to them.
Interestingly, around 100 years ago they were brought over to play rugby: a sub 10 seconds 100m isn't (well wasn't) rare among them. You'll have to seek that sort of info out, though, history has not been very fair to them.
peterpeter said:
what's so bad about them?
Wikipedia said:
Education
Students as a group leave school earlier, and live with a lower standard of education, compared with their peers. Although the situation is slowly improving (with significant gains between 1994 and 2002),[58]
39% of indigenous students stayed on to year 12 at high school, compared with 75% for the Australian population as a whole.[80]
22% of indigenous adults had a vocational or higher education qualification, compared with 48% for the Australian population as a whole.[80]
4% of Indigenous Australians held a bachelor degree or higher, compared with 21% for the population as a whole. While this fraction is increasing, it is increasing at a slower rate than that for Australian population as a whole.[80]
The performance of indigenous students in national literacy and numeracy tests conducted in school years three, five, and seven is also inferior to that of their peers.
In response to this problem, the Commonwealth Government formulated a National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Education Policy. A number of government initiatives have resulted, some of which are listed by the Commonwealth Government's page.[82]
Employment
Despite widespread preferential employment policies, Indigenous Australians as a group generally experience high unemployment compared to the national average. For instance, in August 2001, the (non-age-standardised) unemployment rate for Indigenous Australians was 20.0%, compared to 7.2% for non-Indigenous Australians. The difference is not solely due to the increased proportion of Indigenous Australians living in rural communities, for unemployment is higher in Indigenous Australian populations living in urban centres than for non-Indigenous populations in the same regions (Source: ABS). As of 2002, the average household income for Indigenous Australian adults (adjusted for household size and composition) was 60% of the non-Indigenous average.[58]
Health
Due to lack of access to medical facilities, Indigenous Australians were twice as likely to report their health as fair/poor and one-and-a-half times more likely to have a disability or long-term health condition (after adjusting for demographic structures).[58]
In addition, the following factors have been at least partially implicated in the inequality in life expectancy:[58][83]
poverty
insufficient education
substance abuse[86][87]
for remote communities poor access to health services
for urbanised Indigenous Australians, cultural pressures which prevent access to health services
cultural differences resulting in poor communication between Indigenous Australians and health workers.
Successive Federal Governments have responded to these issues by implementing programs such as the Office of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Health (OATSIH). Which effected by bringing health services into indigenous communities, but on the whole the problem still remains challenging.
Crime
In 2000, Indigenous Australians were more likely per capita to be both victims of and perpetrators of reported crimes in New South Wales.[88] In 2002, Indigenous Australians were twice as likely as their non-Indigenous peers to be a victim of violent aggression,[89] with 24% of Indigenous Australians reported as being a victim of violence in 2001.[89] In 2004, Indigenous Australians were 11 times more likely to be in prison (age-standardised figures). In June 2004, 21% of prisoners in Australia were Indigenous.[89] There are frequent reports of domestic violence and community disturbances.[90]
Substance abuse
Signpost outside Yirrkala, NT, where kava was introduced as a safer alternative to alcohol, but was withdrawn in 2007.Many Indigenous communities suffer from a range of health, social and legal problems associated with substance abuse of both legal and illegal drugs.
A large 2004–05 health survey by the ABS found that the proportion of the Indigenous adult population engaged in 'risky' and 'high-risk' alcohol consumption (15%) was comparable with that of the non-Indigenous population (14%), based on age-standardised data.[91] The percentage-point difference between the two figures quoted is not statistically significant, and a similar result was obtained in the earlier 2000–01 survey.
The same health survey found that, after adjusting for age differences between the two populations, Indigenous adults were more than twice as likely as non-Indigenous adults to be current daily smokers of tobacco.[92]
To combat the problem, a number of programs to prevent or mitigate against alcohol abuse have been attempted in different regions, many initiated from within the communities themselves. These strategies include such actions as the declaration of "Dry Zones" within indigenous communities, prohibition and restriction on point-of-sale access, and community policing and licensing.
Some communities (particularly in the Northern Territory) introduced kava as a safer alternative to alcohol, as over-indulgence in kava produces sleepiness, in contrast to the violence that can result from over-indulgence in alcohol. These and other measures met with variable success, and while a number of communities have seen decreases in associated social problems caused by excessive drinking, others continue to struggle with the issue and it remains an ongoing concern.
The ANCD study notes that in order to be effective, programs in general need also to address "...the underlying structural determinants that have a significant impact on alcohol and drug misuse" (Op. cit., p. 26). In 2007, Kava was banned in the Northern Territory.[93]
Petrol sniffing is also a problem among some remote Indigenous communities. Petrol vapour produces euphoria and dulling effect in those who inhale it, and due to its previously low price and widespread availability, is an increasingly popular substance of abuse.
Proposed solutions to the problem are a topic of heated debate among politicians and the community at large.[94][95] In 2005 this problem among remote indigenous communities was considered so serious that a new, low aromatic petrol Opal was distributed across the Northern Territory to combat it.[96]
Crap.Students as a group leave school earlier, and live with a lower standard of education, compared with their peers. Although the situation is slowly improving (with significant gains between 1994 and 2002),[58]
39% of indigenous students stayed on to year 12 at high school, compared with 75% for the Australian population as a whole.[80]
22% of indigenous adults had a vocational or higher education qualification, compared with 48% for the Australian population as a whole.[80]
4% of Indigenous Australians held a bachelor degree or higher, compared with 21% for the population as a whole. While this fraction is increasing, it is increasing at a slower rate than that for Australian population as a whole.[80]
The performance of indigenous students in national literacy and numeracy tests conducted in school years three, five, and seven is also inferior to that of their peers.
In response to this problem, the Commonwealth Government formulated a National Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Education Policy. A number of government initiatives have resulted, some of which are listed by the Commonwealth Government's page.[82]
Employment
Despite widespread preferential employment policies, Indigenous Australians as a group generally experience high unemployment compared to the national average. For instance, in August 2001, the (non-age-standardised) unemployment rate for Indigenous Australians was 20.0%, compared to 7.2% for non-Indigenous Australians. The difference is not solely due to the increased proportion of Indigenous Australians living in rural communities, for unemployment is higher in Indigenous Australian populations living in urban centres than for non-Indigenous populations in the same regions (Source: ABS). As of 2002, the average household income for Indigenous Australian adults (adjusted for household size and composition) was 60% of the non-Indigenous average.[58]
Health
Due to lack of access to medical facilities, Indigenous Australians were twice as likely to report their health as fair/poor and one-and-a-half times more likely to have a disability or long-term health condition (after adjusting for demographic structures).[58]
In addition, the following factors have been at least partially implicated in the inequality in life expectancy:[58][83]
poverty
insufficient education
substance abuse[86][87]
for remote communities poor access to health services
for urbanised Indigenous Australians, cultural pressures which prevent access to health services
cultural differences resulting in poor communication between Indigenous Australians and health workers.
Successive Federal Governments have responded to these issues by implementing programs such as the Office of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Health (OATSIH). Which effected by bringing health services into indigenous communities, but on the whole the problem still remains challenging.
Crime
In 2000, Indigenous Australians were more likely per capita to be both victims of and perpetrators of reported crimes in New South Wales.[88] In 2002, Indigenous Australians were twice as likely as their non-Indigenous peers to be a victim of violent aggression,[89] with 24% of Indigenous Australians reported as being a victim of violence in 2001.[89] In 2004, Indigenous Australians were 11 times more likely to be in prison (age-standardised figures). In June 2004, 21% of prisoners in Australia were Indigenous.[89] There are frequent reports of domestic violence and community disturbances.[90]
Substance abuse
Signpost outside Yirrkala, NT, where kava was introduced as a safer alternative to alcohol, but was withdrawn in 2007.Many Indigenous communities suffer from a range of health, social and legal problems associated with substance abuse of both legal and illegal drugs.
A large 2004–05 health survey by the ABS found that the proportion of the Indigenous adult population engaged in 'risky' and 'high-risk' alcohol consumption (15%) was comparable with that of the non-Indigenous population (14%), based on age-standardised data.[91] The percentage-point difference between the two figures quoted is not statistically significant, and a similar result was obtained in the earlier 2000–01 survey.
The same health survey found that, after adjusting for age differences between the two populations, Indigenous adults were more than twice as likely as non-Indigenous adults to be current daily smokers of tobacco.[92]
To combat the problem, a number of programs to prevent or mitigate against alcohol abuse have been attempted in different regions, many initiated from within the communities themselves. These strategies include such actions as the declaration of "Dry Zones" within indigenous communities, prohibition and restriction on point-of-sale access, and community policing and licensing.
Some communities (particularly in the Northern Territory) introduced kava as a safer alternative to alcohol, as over-indulgence in kava produces sleepiness, in contrast to the violence that can result from over-indulgence in alcohol. These and other measures met with variable success, and while a number of communities have seen decreases in associated social problems caused by excessive drinking, others continue to struggle with the issue and it remains an ongoing concern.
The ANCD study notes that in order to be effective, programs in general need also to address "...the underlying structural determinants that have a significant impact on alcohol and drug misuse" (Op. cit., p. 26). In 2007, Kava was banned in the Northern Territory.[93]
Petrol sniffing is also a problem among some remote Indigenous communities. Petrol vapour produces euphoria and dulling effect in those who inhale it, and due to its previously low price and widespread availability, is an increasingly popular substance of abuse.
Proposed solutions to the problem are a topic of heated debate among politicians and the community at large.[94][95] In 2005 this problem among remote indigenous communities was considered so serious that a new, low aromatic petrol Opal was distributed across the Northern Territory to combat it.[96]
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