Must have, must of

[gib6933]

Must have, must of.

OK please excuse me but I'm very very dyslexic ! I have bits of paper to prove it.

I have made the mistake of using "of" in the wrong place before, but thanks to the grammar police I was corrected.

My question is, is there a Time/event/sequence when "must of" is the correct grammar?

If not why has the have/of become a blur in speech?

BTW, this is in no way a rant against the grammar police!!!!"

[OllieWinchester]

The reason for the confusion is the pronunciation of "must have" which inevitably gets contracted to "must've" which sounds like "must of", so there you go.

[mybrainhurts]

gib6933 said:

My question is, is there a Time/event/sequence when "must of" is the correct grammar?

No. Never.

I assume the mistake comes from the pronunciation of the abbreviation of MUST HAVE, which is MUST'VE..

Sounds like MUST OF, but isn't...

[Zad]

Eastenders "popularised" it. People have been mis-using it for ages, but once Eastenders started using it, people started to believe it was correct. Like, y'know? Australian up-talk in Neighbours?

[Evangelion]

I can remember people saying 'must of' as long ago as the sixties, but never as much as in the last few years.

Bloody Deadenders has a lot to answer for.

Duf, duf, indeed!

[Poledriver]

Same thing with could have, could've and could of. This is absolutely nonsensical in the English language!

[AJS-]

You could say "'must' of" with quotations:

"Words like 'must' of Germanic origin are commonly used in English."

[sadako]

AJS- said:

You could say "'must' of" with quotations:

"Words like 'must' of Germanic origin are commonly used in English."

Your punctuation is incorrect. "Must" should be in speech marks not apostrophes, and "of germanic origin" needs to be between commas.

[HundredthIdiot]

Ah, Eastenders. Nothing beats "I ain't dan naffink!" for expressiveness.

On a vaguely related topic, here in Ireland a lot of people say "amn't", as in "I amn't going to sleep with you, rat-face".

Initially I thought this was peculiar (and wrong), but it's obviously just a contraction of "am not". Is this used anywhere in the UK?

[Pothole]

sadako said:

AJS- said:

You could say "'must' of" with quotations:

"Words like 'must' of Germanic origin are commonly used in English."

Your punctuation is incorrect. "Must" should be in speech marks not apostrophes, and "of germanic origin" needs to be between commas.

But "Germanic" should still have a capital, shouldn't it?

[sday12]

gib6933 said:

My question is, is there a Time/event/sequence when "must of" is the correct grammar?

You can't 'of' done something
You can 'have' done something

[gib6933]

Thank you!

[jshell]

gib6933 said:

Must have, must of.

OK please excuse me but I'm very very dyslexic ! I have bits of paper to prove it.

I have made the mistake of using "of" in the wrong place before, but thanks to the grammar police I was corrected.

My question is, is there a Time/event/sequence when "must of" is the correct grammar?

If not why has the have/of become a blur in speech?

BTW, this is in no way a rant against the grammar police!!!!"

I call BS!

I thought dyslexic meant transposing letters, not missing them out AND replacing them. There are 2 letters in 'of' and 4 letters in 'have'...

[Mazda Baiter]

Zad said:

Eastenders "popularised" it. People have been mis-using it for ages, but once Eastenders started using it, people started to believe it was correct. Like, y'know? Australian up-talk in Neighbours?

Australian Question Intonation.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-hnABeM2I7c&fea...

8:00 in. it carries on to;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTdFYclpu54&NR=...

[Eric Mc]

HundredthIdiot said:

Ah, Eastenders. Nothing beats "I ain't dan naffink!" for expressiveness.

On a vaguely related topic, here in Ireland a lot of people say "amn't", as in "I amn't going to sleep with you, rat-face".

Initially I thought this was peculiar (and wrong), but it's obviously just a contraction of "am not". Is this used anywhere in the UK?

I grew up in Ireland and "amn't" is extremely common over there.

[Eric Mc]

The mistake of saying "must of" and could of" etc is noting to do with dyslexia. It is down to plain ignorance of the language, cloth ears and a general lack of literacy.

People who read a lot don't tend to make this mistake as you will not see it in proper written English.

Those who do not read much don't realise they are talking nonsense.

[parakitaMol.]

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[toasty]

mybrainhurts said:

My question is, is there a Time/event/sequence when "must of" is the correct grammar?

The must of the grapes affects the flavour of the wine.

[Neil H]

I can think of a few using the most common definition of must, of which all require a comma between them.

[AJS-]

sadako said:

AJS- said:

You could say "'must' of" with quotations:

"Words like 'must' of Germanic origin are commonly used in English."

Your punctuation is incorrect. "Must" should be in speech marks not apostrophes, and "of germanic origin" needs to be between commas.

Just testing!
For a bonus point, should the comma be inside the quotation marks or outside?

..."must," of Germanic origin, are...
OR
..."must", of Germanic origin, are...

Having double quotation marks seems very messy to me, "you could say ""must" of" with quotations."