any maths teachers/experts on here
any maths teachers/experts on here
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thehos

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923 posts

214 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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my son has a maths exam when he goes back to school, please work out this sum 8-2x4=?



0 or 24?????

Arese

21,365 posts

217 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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0 innit? whistle

BODMAS!

Edited by Arese on Friday 2nd April 14:59

CrashTD

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234 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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Arese said:
Edited by Arese on Friday 2nd April 14:53
At least you spotted your own mistake

Arese

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Friday 2nd April 2010
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CrashTD said:
Arese said:
Edited by Arese on Friday 2nd April 14:53
At least you spotted your own mistake
That was just to put the URL in for BODMAS. Honest.


Grass

thehos

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214 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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thats right were calling it bidmas same thing i guess.


so whats the point of brackets?

Edited by thehos on Friday 2nd April 15:01

sidicks

25,218 posts

251 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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thehos said:
so whats the point of brackets?
The brackets just avoid any ambiguity!
smile
Sidicks

AndyAudi

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252 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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Was going to say check that your sons calculator gives the result of zero (cheap one often don't), it's mentioned in the link too.

(are kids still encouraged to use calculators at school these days? When I were a lad at primary we had to listen to the radio "I am the operator of my pocket calculator" and punch in the sums called out then hold up the calcutors to the teacher to show we could get the right answer)

thehos

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923 posts

214 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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AndyAudi said:
Was going to say check that your sons calculator gives the result of zero (cheap one often don't), it's mentioned in the link too.

(are kids still encouraged to use calculators at school these days? When I were a lad at primary we had to listen to the radio "I am the operator of my pocket calculator" and punch in the sums called out then hold up the calcutors to the teacher to show we could get the right answer)
tried that, lol, thats how i came to post on here, couple of mates here, mine and 1 of my mates phone calculater says 24, sons calculater and my other mates phone says 0, and to add more confusion its a no calculater paper.

I think were going to tell him to use bidmas when doing the paper, thanks guys.

Pony

927 posts

250 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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thehos said:
so whats the point of brackets?

Edited by thehos on Friday 2nd April 15:01
this is 0 8-2x4=

this is 24 (8-2)x4=

basically if its in the brackets, do it first

Edited by Pony on Friday 2nd April 16:11

RobM77

35,349 posts

264 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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I think the idea is that you don't use a calculator, thus the result of zero which will confuse some calculators.

To be honest, I never quite understood teacher's obsession with BODMAS at school. I always write things with brackets for clarity and work them out in stages for certainty.

DKL

4,978 posts

252 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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This is algebraic logic - scientific calculators will always do multiplication and division before addition and subtraction whereas non scientific ones don't
Strictly speaking the former is correct and the answer is 0.
It assumes the parentheses are present.

Try it on the windows calculator - the standard one gives 24 but the scientific one gives 0