Shocked by a friend RE: Council Housing
Shocked by a friend RE: Council Housing
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elster

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17,517 posts

240 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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A friend of mine who is a single mother has been happily renting for a while.

Today she turned to me and told me she was moving back to her parents so she could get back on the council house register, so then she would be able to have her own home.

She isn't well off, but manages to afford her rent and bills and look after her daughter.

Is it the case that people like this are eligible for a council house?

Does that mean she will be able to buy it as well at a later date at a discount?

sday12

5,067 posts

241 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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elster said:
so then she would be able to have her own home.
But it's not her 'own' home, it council stock.


Social Housing should be exactly that, for those that would otherwise not be able to be sufficiently catered for. However in the real world that is not the case and she is playing the system, IMO I'd rather she got it than some others I could think of. Not the biggest crime in he book.

Jasandjules

72,622 posts

259 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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sday12 said:
elster said:
so then she would be able to have her own home.
But it's not her 'own' home, it council stock.
But after 5 years or somesuch don't they get the right to buy it at a below market rate?

I am afraid that it is not uncommon for people to do this, or even for a couple to "rent/live" in two different homes so that their benefits are higher (I am sorry I do not know how this works but I have been told by a few people that it is the case).

King Herald

23,501 posts

246 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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Jasandjules said:
sday12 said:
elster said:
so then she would be able to have her own home.
But it's not her 'own' home, it council stock.
But after 5 years or somesuch don't they get the right to buy it at a below market rate?

I am afraid that it is not uncommon for people to do this, or even for a couple to "rent/live" in two different homes so that their benefits are higher (I am sorry I do not know how this works but I have been told by a few people that it is the case).
That's not the case where I live, as a housing association bought up all the council houses several years ago and operates them now.

I think buying your own council house for chump change was something Maggie fronted, in an effort to make poor bums feel like aristocrats, and thus vote conservative. biggrin

fildigger

1,095 posts

235 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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Sponger!

or if not, at least a manipulator.



sorry, i have worked all my life & have struggled to pay my way for many years.

wagon and horses

12,424 posts

224 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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Sounds like she is making herself appear worse off in order to get a house.

The type of person that makes a council sink estate exactly that.

Sponger. No excuse, she should use her child/ren as something to love rather than as a ticket to a free/cheap house.


wackojacko

8,581 posts

220 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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swerni said:
If she can afford the rent why the fk would they give her a council house?
Exactly .......

GreenDog

2,261 posts

222 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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Did she not mean that she'd have more security in a council house than in a privately rented one where the landlord can end the tenancy more easily ? In a council property if she's a good tenant it's unlikely she'd ever be forced to move.

Oakey

27,983 posts

246 months

Friday 2nd April 2010
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She might be in for a long wait. I posted a thread here not long ago about some scumbag who complained the council house she'd been given was in a poor state because it wasn't carpeted, she'd been waiting ten years for it.

I believe after they've lived in it for three years they can buy it at about 30% it's value, they can't sell it for another 2-3 years after that though.

ETA: I don't see what moving back to her parents will do, surely when she completes an income / expenditure form she'll have much more disposable income now she isn't paying rent therefore making her better off and less likely to get on the list. And no, she can't say her parents are charging her £800 per month.

Edited by Oakey on Friday 2nd April 21:06

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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Buy at 30% of value after three years? Nonsense. After five years a tenant can apply to buy their house: their discount increases in line with the length of their tenancy. There is also a discount cap of about £30,000 (in the midlands - less further North and more further South). This used to be academic, but Id expect it to be a factor in the majority of sales now.

Four Cofffee

11,838 posts

265 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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I thought concils were wise to the deliberate overcrowding trick?

SimonV8ster

13,019 posts

258 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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Wouldn't she have to prove what she earn't and showed that she could not afford to rent a house ?

My neighbours have just been turfed out of the house next door and he went to the council but he earn't too much money so got turned down.

Oakey

27,983 posts

246 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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GC8 said:
Buy at 30% of value after three years? Nonsense. After five years a tenant can apply to buy their house: their discount increases in line with the length of their tenancy. There is also a discount cap of about £30,000 (in the midlands - less further North and more further South). This used to be academic, but Id expect it to be a factor in the majority of sales now.
I know someone who paid £16k for a flat valued at £45k in 2003. That's where I got the figure of about 30% from

Edited by Oakey on Saturday 3rd April 10:33

RS404

319 posts

232 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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Why shouldn't she I guess? Everybody else is at it. I don't know about the OP's friend's situation of course, but the best way to help the planet is to stop bloody reproducing, or at least slow it down a bit. Not charge people 119.9p per litre of unleaded which they only want to use to get to work so they can pay their bills and tax like a good citizen. Instead we reward young people, who have decided they are above working and choose parenthood as a career, with a free house and all expenses paid by you the taxpayer. Once the first one is old enough to look after itself people might start to look at this young mum and suggest she might be able to do some part time work, so she'll have another one, and another one, and before you know it she's a grandmother and the cycle begins all over again. Meanwhile your petrol bills rise, your NI contributions rise, your council tax payments rise, blah blah f**king blah, I'm wasting my time typing this, banging my head against the wall, ranting like Richard Littlejohn or that bloke who used to edit the Sun or any number of miserable old men in any number of miserable old pubs in any number of miserable, grey, sh*t, english towns so f**k it, I give up thinking about it, lets talk about something else, I reckon Rosberg to win tomorrow, how about you?

10 Pence Short

32,880 posts

247 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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RS404 said:
Why shouldn't she I guess? Everybody else is at it. I don't know about the OP's friend's situation of course, but the best way to help the planet is to stop bloody reproducing, or at least slow it down a bit. Not charge people 119.9p per litre of unleaded which they only want to use to get to work so they can pay their bills and tax like a good citizen. Instead we reward young people, who have decided they are above working and choose parenthood as a career, with a free house and all expenses paid by you the taxpayer. Once the first one is old enough to look after itself people might start to look at this young mum and suggest she might be able to do some part time work, so she'll have another one, and another one, and before you know it she's a grandmother and the cycle begins all over again. Meanwhile your petrol bills rise, your NI contributions rise, your council tax payments rise, blah blah f**king blah, I'm wasting my time typing this, banging my head against the wall, ranting like Richard Littlejohn or that bloke who used to edit the Sun or any number of miserable old men in any number of miserable old pubs in any number of miserable, grey, sh*t, english towns so f**k it, I give up thinking about it, lets talk about something else, I reckon Rosberg to win tomorrow, how about you?
Work Houses.

We need Work Houses.

Penny-lope

13,645 posts

223 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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I hope she's not in a hurry.....I was registered 'homeless' and as a single mum was told I was high on the waiting list. Well that was nearly 3 years ago, and I am still waiting!


GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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Oakey said:
GC8 said:
Buy at 30% of value after three years? Nonsense. After five years a tenant can apply to buy their house: their discount increases in line with the length of their tenancy. There is also a discount cap of about £30,000 (in the midlands - less further North and more further South). This used to be academic, but Id expect it to be a factor in the majority of sales now.
I know someone who paid £16k for a flat valued at £45k in 2003. That's where I got the figure of about 30% from
The rules have changed, but youd have to be a tenant for 15yrs to qualify for that level of reduction now(and 5yrs for anything at all). In the case of your example itd be 11yrs (2yrs for 32% then 2% per year). The maximum discounts have changed too, with many areas being capped at £16,000.

ShadownINja

80,108 posts

312 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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10 Pence Short said:
Work Houses.

We need Work Houses.
yes

GC8

19,910 posts

220 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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We need work houses? The stupidity of some people here beggars belief.

Ferg

15,242 posts

287 months

Saturday 3rd April 2010
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The 'Right To Buy' Scheme = Ill-conceived idea which gave free money to the undeserving.