How do university lecturers keep their jobs?
Discussion
Probably by being self controlled and responsible?
Last night I was invited by a business associate come lecturer to run an evneing session for his masters students.
Rows of scantily clad, doe eyes beauties from the 4 corners of the world with exotic skin tones and bodies hanging on his every word.
A cliche I know but either univerties must turn a blind eye to what goes on, or the staff room must put double doses of bromide in their tea. My collague assured me that he was never tempted but followed this up with a wry smile.
some of us get warned after 'rumours' go around though.
Greg_D said:
I 
Engineering.None of my
looked like that. I wasn't tempted.Intersting subject. Yep some do indeed have relationships and it causes huge stresses and accusations all round - from jealous peer groups to accusations of favouritism.
One thing it pretty much guarantees though if you are part of say science research is that the f
kee can never get away from the comments that s/he slept with the boss and rarely gets taken seriously.
One thing it pretty much guarantees though if you are part of say science research is that the f
kee can never get away from the comments that s/he slept with the boss and rarely gets taken seriously.lawrence567 said:
Do the same rules still apply at Uni's?
Say you have a mature student, say 32 & a university lecturer of around about the same age, under law is it still seen as abusing a position of trust etc?
Speaking as a lecturer, it's not technically forbidden but severely frowned upon. Lots of ethical issues arise let alone moral ones...Say you have a mature student, say 32 & a university lecturer of around about the same age, under law is it still seen as abusing a position of trust etc?
In my field there are quite a few academic couples who met as researcher and PhD supervisor, however. But that's a whole other minefield...
dxg said:
lawrence567 said:
Do the same rules still apply at Uni's?
Say you have a mature student, say 32 & a university lecturer of around about the same age, under law is it still seen as abusing a position of trust etc?
Speaking as a lecturer, it's not technically forbidden but severely frowned upon. Lots of ethical issues arise let alone moral ones...Say you have a mature student, say 32 & a university lecturer of around about the same age, under law is it still seen as abusing a position of trust etc?
In my field there are quite a few academic couples who met as researcher and PhD supervisor, however. But that's a whole other minefield...
lawrence567 said:
Do the same rules still apply at Uni's?
Say you have a mature student, say 32 & a university lecturer of around about the same age, under law is it still seen as abusing a position of trust etc?
The law only applies where the student is under 18. Applies to anyone in a position of trust/authority over someone who is under 18 iirc - so would cover sports clubs, clubs/scouts/guides etc... Say you have a mature student, say 32 & a university lecturer of around about the same age, under law is it still seen as abusing a position of trust etc?
Some institutions have set guidelines that you cannot be in a position of responsibility. Meaning he/she can't be in your major, class, or hopefully in your field.
Thing is if you do date the students it isn't good for your reputation and that type of detriment makes it increasingly rare. I've never seen it happen between professor and undergrad but have seen it between grad student and similarly aged prof... Even in that situation between people who had the same age it was not something that was easily accepted. Part of being a teacher of all types is that you have a responsibility for your students. Part of that is not putting yourself in a situation that could take advantage of them and as you often have much more power them them it can create problems very quickly.
In all honesty as a lecturer the students all start to look like kids after a while. It is amazing how young students start to look after a few years. I think it is best to keep the personal life and professional as separate as possible.
Academic jobs are insanely difficult to get. For example in Economics you should expect that for a normal young professor job 300+ applications of people who all have PhD's, publications, and experience. If you destroy your reputation at one location you in no way can just assume you will be able to get a job somewhere else. Why would they hire you when they can easily hire other people with equal abilities?
Tadite said:
Some institutions have set guidelines that you cannot be in a position of responsibility. Meaning he/she can't be in your major, class, or hopefully in your field.
Thing is if you do date the students it isn't good for your reputation and that type of detriment makes it increasingly rare. I've never seen it happen between professor and undergrad but have seen it between grad student and similarly aged prof... Even in that situation between people who had the same age it was not something that was easily accepted. Part of being a teacher of all types is that you have a responsibility for your students. Part of that is not putting yourself in a situation that could take advantage of them and as you often have much more power them them it can create problems very quickly.
In all honesty as a lecturer the students all start to look like kids after a while. It is amazing how young students start to look after a few years. I think it is best to keep the personal life and professional as separate as possible.
Academic jobs are insanely difficult to get. For example in Economics you should expect that for a normal young professor job 300+ applications of people who all have PhD's, publications, and experience. If you destroy your reputation at one location you in no way can just assume you will be able to get a job somewhere else. Why would they hire you when they can easily hire other people with equal abilities?
I reall that the policy in one university I worked at was that you an dip your wick 9altghough it is frowned upon) as long as you declare it and someone else marks their assignments.Thing is if you do date the students it isn't good for your reputation and that type of detriment makes it increasingly rare. I've never seen it happen between professor and undergrad but have seen it between grad student and similarly aged prof... Even in that situation between people who had the same age it was not something that was easily accepted. Part of being a teacher of all types is that you have a responsibility for your students. Part of that is not putting yourself in a situation that could take advantage of them and as you often have much more power them them it can create problems very quickly.
In all honesty as a lecturer the students all start to look like kids after a while. It is amazing how young students start to look after a few years. I think it is best to keep the personal life and professional as separate as possible.
Academic jobs are insanely difficult to get. For example in Economics you should expect that for a normal young professor job 300+ applications of people who all have PhD's, publications, and experience. If you destroy your reputation at one location you in no way can just assume you will be able to get a job somewhere else. Why would they hire you when they can easily hire other people with equal abilities?
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