Could a historian comment upon the plausiblity of this?
Could a historian comment upon the plausiblity of this?
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Somewhatfoolish

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5,100 posts

216 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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Ok.

Here's a pic from my local:



First of all: Obviously the particular document on display at the pub doesn't actually date from the eighteenth century.

But myself and a friend have a disagreement as to the general authenticity of it (as a facsimilie, or whatever). He thinks that it's plausible. I don't think that it is - something doesn't ring true about it.

But he's a mere analyst @ MI6 and I'm a mere interest rates trader. Neither of us have any genuine expertise that would allow us to judge this correctly (I admit my ignorance, he blusters, which I believe is standard in the glorified civil service).

But pistonheads will definitely have someone who knows.

That someone... please help? Please?

perdu

4,885 posts

229 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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Buy the potash



Edited by perdu on Monday 7th June 00:16

Plotloss

67,280 posts

300 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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I for one, fear for the safety of the nation.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SHIP-WRECK-SALE-VINTAGE-1796...

Edited by Plotloss on Monday 7th June 00:19

supra legend

626 posts

198 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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It looks like it was made on MS Word

Getragdogleg

10,263 posts

213 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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I can confirm that it is a genuine poster.

Emsman

7,391 posts

220 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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Was it the Irish rover?

bigandclever

14,408 posts

268 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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But the question is: "is the content realistic?"

Not "is this bona fida or is it some git with MS Paint?"

ETA Etymologically speaking, it seems valid - the closest word used in date to the given auction date is the 'cudbear' that, apparently, is a dye from around 1760.

Edited by bigandclever on Monday 7th June 00:46

AJS-

15,366 posts

266 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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Damn I've missed it. I could have done with 20 casks of cudbear.

Famous Graham

26,553 posts

255 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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bigandclever said:
But the question is: "is the content realistic?"
Don't see why not.

What's the location?

Somewhatfoolish

Original Poster:

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216 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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Famous Graham said:
bigandclever said:
But the question is: "is the content realistic?"
Don't see why not.

What's the location?
By content realistic, I am asking if the poster could realistically have been made at the time it claims to have been, i.e. right at the end of 18th century.

The location is the Pilot Inn on the North Greenwich Peninsula if anyone really wishes to visit it* but the actual historical document is obviously not... historical... I want to know if there was an orginial real document or something like it.

*I would be happy to have many pints with many pistonheaders at this pub; please reply to this thread if you wish to have a pint with me (first one will be on me biggrin) and we'll sort that out - a few pistonheaders know me and know I'm not a child molsester or axe murderer tongue out

Edited by Somewhatfoolish on Monday 7th June 01:32

Famous Graham

26,553 posts

255 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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I ask because there would, presumably, be some reason for the pub in question to display it. Greenwich is certainly in the right part of (Old) London to advertise bounty from a shipwreck.

Beyond that, I've no idea as to its veracity.

MrV

2,748 posts

258 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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OP 9th pic on this link or it could be lazy reporting by the Beeb

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/lancashire/hi/people_a...

Yelly

306 posts

198 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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"On the Quayside of this Port" is an excellent bit of marketing in the early days - a bit like a generic email marketing ploy. Or it is a way of making it easier to sell it to pubs and interested parties in the 21st century.

I wager the content is modern day tat.

randlemarcus

13,646 posts

261 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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Wreck sale 1796 in Google is now showing the 5th ranking as this thread, which is always amusing.

I found this link as part of the newspaper archives (http://www.origins.org.uk/genuki/NFK/norfolk/newspapers/nfkchron/1780/12.shtml#dec09) which refers to the sale of wreck of a particular ship, which seems infinitely more common than a collective sale. This might be something to do with the law, which, perhaps unsurprisingly from a maritime island, is quite specific as to the status of flotsam, jetsame, lingan, and wreck in general.

What is it specifically that's causing you to be suspicious?

Yelly

306 posts

198 months

Monday 7th June 2010
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randlemarcus said:
What is it specifically that's causing you to be suspicious?
No name of auction person, company or organiser.
No name of ships to which they relate.
No name of port to which it relates.

Seems too generic to be an actual advert.