Extraordinary Homeopathy Claim - It Cures Cancer
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I'd love to think that it's just a massive wind-up.
I'd love to think that it's just a massive wind-up.
Oh dear. A single example of a person going into remission, who also happens to take woo-woo pills, does not provide evidence that the pills work. Until they can show in properly conducted double-blind trials there is benefit above placebo it remains nothing more than hope at best and charlatanism at worst.
This is a topic close to my heart and I'm frankly disgusted at the profiteering from the peddling of snake-oil.
Coriolus versicolour may have some foundation in science as a cancer treatment, however it's an extremely common fungus which grows year-round on rotten logs.
Yet sold to the vulnerable and the desperate for $59.95.
Coriolus versicolour may have some foundation in science as a cancer treatment, however it's an extremely common fungus which grows year-round on rotten logs.
Yet sold to the vulnerable and the desperate for $59.95.
So what saved this Gemma? Or more to the point, why doesn't someone prove that the pills didn't help Gemma to beat cancer? Placebo? Can a placebo really beat terminal cancer? If so, roll it out immediately!
Edit: don't get me wrong; not supporting Homeopathy. Just wondering how she survived something that the professionals had given up on. Cancer in that part of that body doesn't have a very good survival rate (50% chance of survival after treatment?).
Edit: don't get me wrong; not supporting Homeopathy. Just wondering how she survived something that the professionals had given up on. Cancer in that part of that body doesn't have a very good survival rate (50% chance of survival after treatment?).
Edited by RemainAllHoof on Wednesday 30th November 00:49
RemainAllHoof said:
Or more to the point, why doesn't someone prove that the pills didn't help Gemma to beat cancer?
You can't prove a negative like that unfortunately. The placebo effect is very powerful and also unpredictable which is why clinical trials are double blind - the patient does not know if they are receiving the treatment, and neither does the person administering the trial.All you can say about that case is that she took pills, and that her cancer is in remission. Is there a possibility that the pills were the cause? Yes. Is there also the possibility that any of a huge number of other factors caused it? Also the answer is yes. What you can't do is take an individual example and use it as proof of the general case.
There is a law proihibiting the treatment of cancer in this country. The cancer act prohibits anyone non medical treating cancer.
Dealing with the emotional fall out of cancer is one thing. Saying you treat someone for cancer with the intention of curing them is something else entirely.
Surrounding all of this are complex issues of hope and 'false hope' and a raft of emotions that others reading will have.
Dealing with the emotional fall out of cancer is one thing. Saying you treat someone for cancer with the intention of curing them is something else entirely.
Surrounding all of this are complex issues of hope and 'false hope' and a raft of emotions that others reading will have.
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I think we must recognise that sometimes, for reasons as yet unknown, but doubtless capable of explanation as science moves on, events occur which we cannot as yet explain.
The phenomena of remission is a well recognised but as yet unexplained event in cancer treatment. This does regularly occur in cancers.
We are better protected than most countries from the charlatans that seize upon such events and turn them into disgraceful lust for money with selfishness, pure greed and avarice displayed in entirely spurious claims.
In time we will discover the scientific explanation.
Until then the pondlife perpetrating this fraud will continue in their evil underhand grasping of the savings of the vulnerable.
Keep well clear and put your trust in the NHS and the medical profession. They are not perfect but they are honest and genuine. What more could we ask?
The phenomena of remission is a well recognised but as yet unexplained event in cancer treatment. This does regularly occur in cancers.
We are better protected than most countries from the charlatans that seize upon such events and turn them into disgraceful lust for money with selfishness, pure greed and avarice displayed in entirely spurious claims.
In time we will discover the scientific explanation.
Until then the pondlife perpetrating this fraud will continue in their evil underhand grasping of the savings of the vulnerable.
Keep well clear and put your trust in the NHS and the medical profession. They are not perfect but they are honest and genuine. What more could we ask?
Steffan said:
I think we must recognise that sometimes, for reasons as yet unknown, but doubtless capable of explanation as science moves on, events occur which we cannot as yet explain.
The phenomena of remission is a well recognised but as yet unexplained event in cancer treatment. This does regularly occur in cancers.
We are better protected than most countries from the charlatans that seize upon such events and turn them into disgraceful lust for money with selfishness, pure greed and avarice displayed in entirely spurious claims.
In time we will discover the scientific explanation.
Until then the pondlife perpetrating this fraud will continue in their evil underhand grasping of the savings of the vulnerable.
Keep well clear and put your trust in the NHS and the medical profession. They are not perfect but they are honest and genuine. What more could we ask?
And the real sad thing is that understanding spontaneous remission is probably the real key to curing the stupid disease. If she thinks it's because of the water then how does that help anything?The phenomena of remission is a well recognised but as yet unexplained event in cancer treatment. This does regularly occur in cancers.
We are better protected than most countries from the charlatans that seize upon such events and turn them into disgraceful lust for money with selfishness, pure greed and avarice displayed in entirely spurious claims.
In time we will discover the scientific explanation.
Until then the pondlife perpetrating this fraud will continue in their evil underhand grasping of the savings of the vulnerable.
Keep well clear and put your trust in the NHS and the medical profession. They are not perfect but they are honest and genuine. What more could we ask?
Right I'm bored at work (for a few mins, mind) so...
Homeopathy never cured a single patient ever in the history of humanity.
Placebo and self-limiting conditions take the glory.
the 12C concentration of a homeopathic drug (quite commonly sold) is unlikely to contain even one molecule of the original active substance, and even at 6C concentration you are looking at a dilution of one part in a trillion.
make believe
Homeopathy never cured a single patient ever in the history of humanity.
Placebo and self-limiting conditions take the glory.
the 12C concentration of a homeopathic drug (quite commonly sold) is unlikely to contain even one molecule of the original active substance, and even at 6C concentration you are looking at a dilution of one part in a trillion.
make believe
30C concentration is the "Dilution advocated by Hahnemann (the father of homeopathy) for most purposes.
The patient would need to consume 10to-the41 pills (a billion times the mass of the Earth), or 10to-the34 gallons of liquid remedy (10 billion times the volume of the Earth) to consume a single molecule of the original substance.
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