Getting to Sleep.
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Tuvra

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7,926 posts

254 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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I have been struggling recently nodding off to sleep, I don't have any worries, I just find that my mind goes in to over drive when it comes to getting to sleep, especially on a Sunday night frown

Last night I had a relaxing bath, read my book until I couldn't keep my eyes open any longer, put my head down on the pillow and then it starts, basically I ponder over work:
  • How to do a certain job that I am tendering for, constantly thinking "what if...".
  • How to increase profits from current projects
  • How to increase the productivity of the work force
  • MINOR issues with existing projects
  • New business ventures
  • Next car
  • Work Fleet options
  • And then other things like my workouts, training, rugby performance, hobbies, home improvements etc
It is absolutely infuriating as I am shattered before I get off to sleep and also as I wake. I have tried various things like singing a song in my head (repeatedly), gone through times tables (repeatedly) etc. I find it hard to keep this up though and thoughts usually revert to those listed above.

So if your mind is in overdrive, how do you effectively put yourself to sleep?? I am expecting a lot of "listen to the missus" etc hehe

Steamer

14,172 posts

242 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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A friend calls it the 'Monkey Mind' because it's always chattering away in the background.

Something I suffer from too at times.

She has told me to try meditation but I haven't got round to that yet.

Every time you catch yourself doing it just imagine wrapping those thoughts up and physically blowing them away. Then replace those thoughts with something fun and simple.

AJS-

15,366 posts

265 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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I do much the same. I can't claim to have cracked it completely, but the most success I have had is thinking about driving. Sometimes my favourite roads, sometimes a track. Other activities sometimes work too, walking, painting a wall. The point is it should be some activity which occupies the mind without giving you decisions to make.

Try having a wk too.

paulmon

2,209 posts

270 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Same here. 1/2 a bottle of Rioja usually does the trick for me. I have tinnitus as well so it can be a double whammy for me.

P-Jay

11,396 posts

220 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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If a tug isn't possible...

I picture taking something apart and putting back together, an engine, a bike whatever it doesn't matter. I just picture taking all the parts of cleaning them and then reassembling them - I'm out cold by the time I've taken it apart usually - have to 'pick it up' the next work.

Pork

9,455 posts

263 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Cracking one off is a good suggestion.

For me, I find running through the dream garage should the lottery numbers come in does the trick... stress free and not too taxing!

ivanhoew

1,037 posts

270 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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check what you eat on sunday for any stimulants..personally if i have a bit too strong gravy ,which tends to have msg in it ,i get not so much monkey mind as mad nutter whirling dervish mind !

cal216610

7,839 posts

199 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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This happens to me sometimes and all i do is reach for the horlicks, by the third night i find that i get off to sleep easier and have a more deepful sleep.
I only have it when needed as like other things your body gets use to it and it's less effective.

br d

9,072 posts

255 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Had it for years and never found a cure.
It's the same if I have to get up in the night for a piss, no matter how tired I am my brain will go into overdrive and it'll take me another hour to get back to sleep. It's a work thing, there's always something to stress over no matter how well things are going.

OTOH though, if you weren't analysing these things to the nth degree maybe you wouldn't run your business as efficiently and you'd earn less money.
That's what I've been telling myself for years.

WeirdNeville

6,048 posts

244 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Do more exercise. Physical exertion = endorphins = calm, plus physical tiredness = a good nights sleep.

Learn to medidtate. Sounds wky, but it's the single most powerful thing I've been taught how to do. Exams, restless nights, job interviews and court appearances hold no fear for me now. A couple of controlled breaths with my eyes shut and I'm in a pool of calm, and focused on the task at hand. Guided meditation can help in the first instance (someone talking you through relaxation) but nowadays I find just lying on my be, eyes closed, controlling my breathing and relaxing each body part in turn works a treat. Souns ludicrous ,but if I imagine that I'm in that glass dome on the front of the millenium falcon watching stars blur by I'm asleep in moments.

Compartmentalise your life - you need to build a moat between work and home. You're not getting paid to lie awake and think about work, and it actually negatively impacts your working hours! If you do find you have a great idea that's keeping you awake, write it on a pad next to the bed (or phone note keeping app) so you can come to it in the morning without fear of having forgotten it.

One of the best things I do is cycle to and from work. If I drive I can do it on autopilot and I find I carry thoughts from work home. When cycling ,it's physical work, plus I have to focus fully on it so I don't get killed ,and that means it's a complete barrier to bringing work home.

I also took up Jiu Jitsu a year ago, which has been brilliant both for exercise, body and mind and because it combines 'meditation' and shiatsu massage in its doctrine (at least at my dojo). It's nice to have a hobby that completely removes you from the daily grind and makes you think about not getting punched in the groin or stangled for a bit.

AJS-

15,366 posts

265 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Pork said:
Cracking one off is a good suggestion.

For me, I find running through the dream garage should the lottery numbers come in does the trick... stress free and not too taxing!
I can't figure out any feng shui way to make the transition from Cobra to 458 Italia without having some seriously incongruous leaps inbetween. You can go 458, 599, Vanquish, and you can go Cobra, Viper, but I can't link the two.

Steamer

14,172 posts

242 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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AJS- said:
Pork said:
Cracking one off is a good suggestion.

For me, I find running through the dream garage should the lottery numbers come in does the trick... stress free and not too taxing!
I can't figure out any feng shui way to make the transition from Cobra to 458 Italia without having some seriously incongruous leaps inbetween. You can go 458, 599, Vanquish, and you can go Cobra, Viper, but I can't link the two.
You need a sub section: 'Ex Lemans Racers' That links the Cobra, you can then go Ferrari GTO and also throw in a GT40 and finish with a 917.. works well enough for me!

AJS-

15,366 posts

265 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Steamer said:
AJS- said:
Pork said:
Cracking one off is a good suggestion.

For me, I find running through the dream garage should the lottery numbers come in does the trick... stress free and not too taxing!
I can't figure out any feng shui way to make the transition from Cobra to 458 Italia without having some seriously incongruous leaps inbetween. You can go 458, 599, Vanquish, and you can go Cobra, Viper, but I can't link the two.
You need a sub section: 'Ex Lemans Racers' That links the Cobra, you can then go Ferrari GTO and also throw in a GT40 and finish with a 917.. works well enough for me!
You're onto something there. I'll probably go Ferrari 288 GTO, as a stepping stone, 333SP then Silk Cut Jaguar, Group C Porsche and back to the 60s. Would you put the D type before the Cobra or out the other side in a historic section?

Park'O

656 posts

203 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Concentrate on your breathing! Works a treat! It's the only method I've found to be consistant! I believe it's some form of Yoga relaxation! It automatically blanks your mind!

paulmon

2,209 posts

270 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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Pork said:
For me, I find running through the dream garage should the lottery numbers come in does the trick... stress free and not too taxing!
See this would drive me insane because I'd pick a modern Aston of some sort because every dream garage needs one and then tie myself in knots deciding what I would drop to make space for it. This is based the my dream garage principal that you can only have one car of a given type (Supermini, 4x4, Coupe, SuperCar, Hypercar, Track Car.....)

The Nur

9,168 posts

214 months

Monday 23rd January 2012
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7-11 breathing

Breathe in for 7 seconds, then out for 11 seconds

Takes a bit of getting used to but it does work

Tuvra

Original Poster:

7,926 posts

254 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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The Nur said:
7-11 breathing

Breathe in for 7 seconds, then out for 11 seconds

Takes a bit of getting used to but it does work
Will try tonight, sounds interesting smile

WeirdNeville

6,048 posts

244 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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Tuvra said:
The Nur said:
7-11 breathing

Breathe in for 7 seconds, then out for 11 seconds

Takes a bit of getting used to but it does work
Will try tonight, sounds interesting smile
You'll get hiiiiiiggggghhhhhh!

do it in stages - count 4 seconds in breath, 4 seconds out breath, 4 seconds pause. Repeat for a while and when you feel in control and relaxed go 5-5-5.
If you pass out, stop and try again!

clonmult

10,529 posts

238 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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br d said:
Had it for years and never found a cure.
It's the same if I have to get up in the night for a piss, no matter how tired I am my brain will go into overdrive and it'll take me another hour to get back to sleep. It's a work thing, there's always something to stress over no matter how well things are going.

OTOH though, if you weren't analysing these things to the nth degree maybe you wouldn't run your business as efficiently and you'd earn less money.
That's what I've been telling myself for years.
Likewise; recent changes in job responsibilities have just made it worse.

JagJag363

137 posts

177 months

Tuesday 24th January 2012
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I also have this problem, i think too much when i'm trying to go to sleep.
Not found a solution yet...