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I have just been diagnosed with bilateral runners knee, have only started jogging over the past two weeks and am now virtually unable to walk. Seen by GP today and prescribed Naproxen and physio but also told by GP that I'm unlikely to be able to run in the future.
Anybody got any advice?
Anybody got any advice?
She just said I had runners knee, didn't really explain it. I have pain to medial aspect of my tibia. It's a bruised like pain which only really affects me on weightbearing. I'm hobbling around due to the pain despite analgesia.
Advised that as this has flared up so suddenly from running very short distances that it's unlikely I will be able to run in future without a lot of physio and orthotics.
I have never suffered from knee pain in the past, am only 34, normal weight. My job is pretty active and have been put on alternative duties due to the pain.
Advised that as this has flared up so suddenly from running very short distances that it's unlikely I will be able to run in future without a lot of physio and orthotics.
I have never suffered from knee pain in the past, am only 34, normal weight. My job is pretty active and have been put on alternative duties due to the pain.
I started suffering from knee pain over the last 12 months due to increased running. Went through all the motions of physiotherapy, sports massages, strengthening exercises, being refitted for motion control shoes (I have low arches in my feet) and none of these really did the trick.
I love running and decided to go for broke and tried changing my running style, going from a heel strike to a forefoot strike like how we run on bare feet. Knee pain whilst running disappeared, though is still around when I'm sat in a static position for too long, but I've accepted that this will never go away now but at least I can continue running.
You mentioned that you started running short distances - what were these distances? It could simply be that these were too long and too close together which has caused the flare up.
I love running and decided to go for broke and tried changing my running style, going from a heel strike to a forefoot strike like how we run on bare feet. Knee pain whilst running disappeared, though is still around when I'm sat in a static position for too long, but I've accepted that this will never go away now but at least I can continue running.
You mentioned that you started running short distances - what were these distances? It could simply be that these were too long and too close together which has caused the flare up.
Proper footwear is ABSOLUTELY vital when running.
If you get it right from a proper running shop, you should have no problems. When I get new shoes the shop assistants have me running for ages around the shop and on treadmills to ensure they are correct for me - I pronate quite a bit and have extremely flat feet.
My osteopath also says that with correct footwear, running is actually good for the knees. I have found this to be true - in the past, running has actually relieved pains I have had in the knees.
I always go to Sweatshop for running shoes.
If you get it right from a proper running shop, you should have no problems. When I get new shoes the shop assistants have me running for ages around the shop and on treadmills to ensure they are correct for me - I pronate quite a bit and have extremely flat feet.
My osteopath also says that with correct footwear, running is actually good for the knees. I have found this to be true - in the past, running has actually relieved pains I have had in the knees.
I always go to Sweatshop for running shoes.
I've been training for a half marathon and the one thing I've learned is that it takes much longer for your muscles and ligaments to adapt than your cardio vascular system.
I've had knee problems on & off & am currently seeing a physio with less than 3 weeks to go with runners knee
If I were starting again I'd do a number of things:
1) Strengthen my legs and core - squats, lunges, calf raises & plank - I neglected to do this & paid for it
2) Increase the milage slowly. Opinion seems to be no more than 10% per week, but take it easy
3) Get a proper fitting for decent running shoes from a specialist shop
4) Listen to my body more. Listen to discomfort & pain - it's there for a reason
5) Take time to strech after and often during exercise. Do it properly & often
I'm going to "get round" my half marathon but afterwards I'm going to start from the beginning again and work on the above so hopefully I'll be able to sustain my running & be injury free.
See a good sports physio, get yourself mended and start again.
I've had knee problems on & off & am currently seeing a physio with less than 3 weeks to go with runners knee
If I were starting again I'd do a number of things:
1) Strengthen my legs and core - squats, lunges, calf raises & plank - I neglected to do this & paid for it
2) Increase the milage slowly. Opinion seems to be no more than 10% per week, but take it easy
3) Get a proper fitting for decent running shoes from a specialist shop
4) Listen to my body more. Listen to discomfort & pain - it's there for a reason
5) Take time to strech after and often during exercise. Do it properly & often
I'm going to "get round" my half marathon but afterwards I'm going to start from the beginning again and work on the above so hopefully I'll be able to sustain my running & be injury free.
See a good sports physio, get yourself mended and start again.
)This was only week 2 of the couch to 5k podcasts. I was literally running for 1 minute and walking for 1 minute. Maybe I went about it the wrong way by just wearing a normal pair of trainers, but I wasn't going to spend loads of money on a pair of running shoes when I had no idea if I were going to persist with it.
I am awaiting physio, where I am expecting to get a better diagnosis and will take it from there. I cannot afford to be in this position again as it has affected my work, I work for the ambulance service and can not do my job.
Reading up on runners knee, women are at a much higher risk of suffering from it and those that sit with there knees bent for long periods of time (I sit in a car all day every day) so it looks like I was always at a high risk of suffering.
I am awaiting physio, where I am expecting to get a better diagnosis and will take it from there. I cannot afford to be in this position again as it has affected my work, I work for the ambulance service and can not do my job.
Reading up on runners knee, women are at a much higher risk of suffering from it and those that sit with there knees bent for long periods of time (I sit in a car all day every day) so it looks like I was always at a high risk of suffering.
ewenm said:
Go to see a sports-physio. It may be you have a muscle imbalance that can be sorted out by specific exercise/stretching. I had something my doc described as "Runners' Knee" and my physio and I sorted it by working on IT Band stretches like this:
Exactly, the doc telling you that you have runners knee is a cop out, see a decent physio or sports rehabilitator and get a proper diagnosis.ukwill said:
My old man used to run 15m 3x week.
He's now 72, and he's got 1 plastic knee and the other continues to play him up.
Considering the myriad of alternatives, I often wonder why people run to keep fit!
It won't be plastic, Cobalt-Chrome on bone-ends and ultra high weight, moderately crosslinked, polyethylene as a spacer.He's now 72, and he's got 1 plastic knee and the other continues to play him up.
Considering the myriad of alternatives, I often wonder why people run to keep fit!
HTH
996 sps said:
Doc how functional are they? Run with it? Sorry final question how long do they last?
Very variable and usually predicted by the pre-op activity level of the patient, the joints above and below (hip and ankle) and the stiffness of the joints before replacement. People can ski, run and jog on knee replacements, but generally do less than you'd think.
Lifetime of the joint is linked to total number of cycles/steps it performs, so a working man performing manual labour may wear his out in 5 years, whereas a pensioner who ambles to bingo twice a week will usually see 15-20 out of his.
No one answer to any of your questions.
5% of total joint replacements are worse after the operation than before (infection, thrombosis, unexplained pain, chest infection, heart problems, early component failure)
The_Doc said:
Very variable and usually predicted by the pre-op activity level of the patient, the joints above and below (hip and ankle) and the stiffness of the joints before replacement.
People can ski, run and jog on knee replacements, but generally do less than you'd think.
Lifetime of the joint is linked to total number of cycles/steps it performs, so a working man performing manual labour may wear his out in 5 years, whereas a pensioner who ambles to bingo twice a week will usually see 15-20 out of his.
No one answer to any of your questions.
5% of total joint replacements are worse after the operation than before (infection, thrombosis, unexplained pain, chest infection, heart problems, early component failure)
Thank you, really interesting that.People can ski, run and jog on knee replacements, but generally do less than you'd think.
Lifetime of the joint is linked to total number of cycles/steps it performs, so a working man performing manual labour may wear his out in 5 years, whereas a pensioner who ambles to bingo twice a week will usually see 15-20 out of his.
No one answer to any of your questions.
5% of total joint replacements are worse after the operation than before (infection, thrombosis, unexplained pain, chest infection, heart problems, early component failure)
Seen by physio today, must say I wasn't that impressed. Just gave me a leaflet with some exercises on that the GP had already given me. Physio reckons I have strained both my medial collateral ligaments where they insert onto the tibia. They have advised me to do the exercises and then go back in 10 days. I can hardly walk as I'm in agony despite Co-codamol and Diclofenc 
K77 CTR said:
Seen by physio today, must say I wasn't that impressed. Just gave me a leaflet with some exercises on that the GP had already given me. Physio reckons I have strained both my medial collateral ligaments where they insert onto the tibia. They have advised me to do the exercises and then go back in 10 days. I can hardly walk as I'm in agony despite Co-codamol and Diclofenc
General physio? Sports-specific physio? NHS or Private?I'd ask your local football/rugby/athletics club for a recommendation of a private sports physio. It shouldn't be too expensive. If you are near Bath I'd always recommend my physio, let me know if you want her details.
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