Can your heart beat too fast?
Can your heart beat too fast?
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daz3210

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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Out on my bike last night, the HRM got my heart beat up to 186bpm.

Just set me thinking, can your heart beat too fast for your health?

shouldbworking

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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220 - age is a guide not an absolute rule.

daz3210

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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I know that is a guide, but I was just wondering if you can do damage by overstressing the heart?

I was climbing a hill at the time, saw the heart rate, panicked and stopped until it subsided a bit.

goldblum

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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If your heart is disease free and healthy then you will get to a point at Mhr where the heart is not beating fast enough to supply oxygen to the working muscles and you will be forced,because you cannot inhale enough oxygen,to slow down.Very undramatic.

Edited by goldblum on Thursday 12th July 10:52

daz3210

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goldblum said:
If your heart is disease free and healthy then you will get to a point at Mhr where the heart is not beating fast enough to supply oxygen to the working muscles and you will be forced,because you cannot inhale enough oxygen,to slow down.Very undramatic.

Edited by goldblum on Thursday 12th July 10:52
So what will actually happen? Will you fall over?


goldblum

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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In extreme cases,however it's unlikely.You may have to sit down though.Most people just 'catch their breath' and resume their exercise at a slower pace.

Hoofy

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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At a guess, because the heart is doing the job of supplying oxygen to the muscles and your body realises it needs to increase your heart rate to get the job done properly, if your heart can't cope with the demand, I suspect you'll get muscle fatigue and muscle ache ie your muscles don't receive the oxygen levels they require causing you to slow down. I guess it's like the body's own protection system so when it's running from a T-Rex, it doesn't keel over making itself an easy lunch.

daz3210

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goldblum said:
In extreme cases,however it's unlikely.You may have to sit down though.Most people just 'catch their breath' and resume their exercise at a slower pace.
Thats basically what I did last night, although the stop was through choice when I saw a number on a screen I did not like the look of. Max I had seen before was 166.

Can max heart rate you can achieve therefore be taken as an indicator of fitness or lack of?

goldblum

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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No,although your Mhr can be increased may be decreased by long term exercise by about 3-5%.

Edited by goldblum on Thursday 12th July 19:45

Halb

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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You explode, like this fella.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HY-03vYYAjA

anonymous-user

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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I would think it is possible that if you push it enough, it is possible to get your heart to go into irregular arrhythmia. I dunno. IANAD.


daz3210

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goldblum said:
No,although your Mhr can be increased by long term exercise by about 3-5%.
Is that basically saying then that if you are a bit fitter/exercise more that your max HR may go up?

One thing that a cardiologist said to me when I was having an ECG done was that my heart seemed fit due to a resting heart rate of around 60. I wondered if it followed through that the max working rate was affected too.

Another thing that surprises me is how quickly I recover down to a more 'normal' rate.


paulrockliffe

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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When I'm unfit my max heart rate is about 212, when I'm fit I'll struggle to get past 198, not because my max is lower, but because the limiting factor has become my muscles, rather than the oxygen supply.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about 186 particularly. It sounds unusual for you, but it's not particularly high.

I've had a heart palpitation twice, most recently I was going down a hill on my bike and my chest felt a bit funny. Half way up the next climb I noticed that my heart rate was 246 and responding to change in effort normally, so not electrical interference. I got off and had a lie down until the heart rate suddenly dropped to about 90, then carried on. First time it happened I'd been out the night before on Vodka Redbulls and then gone to Hockey training, this time I was just dehydrated. Neither time did I die, the second time must have lasted about 10 minutes and throughout quite a tough climb, so I reckon your heart will go a lot faster before it explodes.

daz3210

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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Thanks for that.

Why do you say your muscles become a limiting factor? Surely more unfit means muscles (or lack of) would be more limiting

TROOPER88

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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Quite a few incorrect statements here.
The person who stated that with fitness an INCREASE in MHR of 3-5% is very wrong.

In general as the cardiac muscles gain in strength through aerobic training the stroke volume increases over time, as will cardiac output.
Therefore MHR would lower by a similar margin.

goldblum

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Thursday 12th July 2012
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TROOPER88 said:
Quite a few incorrect statements here.
The person who stated that with fitness an INCREASE in MHR of 3-5% is very wrong.
My mistake,doh! I've edited my post so it's now VERY RIGHT.

daz3210

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Friday 13th July 2012
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TROOPER88 said:
Quite a few incorrect statements here.
The person who stated that with fitness an INCREASE in MHR of 3-5% is very wrong.

In general as the cardiac muscles gain in strength through aerobic training the stroke volume increases over time, as will cardiac output.
Therefore MHR would lower by a similar margin.
Surely then even that is wrong.

More correctly should it not be that the required effort from the heart in a given situation would change.

Would the ability for the heart to develop a given max heart rate remain pretty much the same?

tombar

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238 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Apologies for slight thread hijack but I've just had an ECG and my resting heart rate is 48 - I'm not totally unfit but not a marathon runner either, but slightly concerned that it is that low. Seeing GP on Monday. At least there IS a pulse!

daz3210

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Friday 13th July 2012
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Well I have heard it said that this can occur in cyclists in particular.

I was told I was fit with a rest rate of 60.

But it pulls up another question, can your rate be too low?

EdBarrett

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Friday 13th July 2012
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Not too sure, but I know if it gets to 0 BPM you're in a whole world of trouble...