Laser eye surgery - experiences?
Laser eye surgery - experiences?
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Silverbullet767

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11,234 posts

235 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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Hi all, I'm thinking of having laser eye surgery in the near future, but I wanted to gauge the opinion of other PH'ers of their experiences.

I have astigmatism, and it's slightly worse on my left eye as it is my right. Other than that, not much else, my glasses prescription is very light. But after 6 years of glasses i'm starting to get a little fed up with them. So I was considering laser eye surgery to correct the problem.

How long did it take?
How long until you were fully recovered?
Did you experience much discomfort?
Where did you get it done, and would you recommend it?
How much?

I am in Scotland, so if anyone has anywhere to recommend, that would be great.

Edited by Silverbullet767 on Tuesday 12th March 15:10

Moominho

902 posts

169 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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My eyes were -5.75 and -5.24. I got it done 5 years ago, and it was the best decision I ever made. My eyesight is 20/20 now, and waking up and not having to fumble about for glasses is a wonderful thing.

I meant to do it about 3/4 years ago but I spent too much time reading about disaster stories on the net. But in all honesty it was life changing for me.

I can recommend a great place, but it is in central London so probably not too convenient for you.

MacW

1,351 posts

205 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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I had it done 5 years ago and would recommend it to anyone, even despite the 'hiccup' during my procedure.

I started with a preliminary visit to check the health of my eyes and the depth of the lenses they have to work with, this takes about 45mins and involves eyedrop anaesthetics so they can poke, prod and measure your eye. No discomfort at all and a strangely amusing experience as the world fishbowls all over the place while they're poking.

The actual day of surgery took about 3 hours including some last minute form filling beforehand. They anaesthetise your eyes and leave you for a brief period while that takes hold. In my case they left it slightly too long. The apparatus they use is actually pretty uncomfortable as they jam a large tube around your eyeball and into your eye socket, no worse than the dentist though. The surgery on each eye only takes a couple of minutes max, which is handy as very shortly after they started on my first eye I realised the anaesthetic was wearing off and I could feel pretty much everything that was going on. It was like having sand ground into my eyeball, I just gritted my teeth, sweated large amounts and briefly considered pissing myself to take my mind off it.

Once that eye was done I made it firmly clear what had happened and had them reapply the anaesthesia to the remaining eye. This one went much smoother although there was still some minor sensation.

They then sit you in a dark room with a loose bandage over your eyes for 45mins or so to allow the healing to start, after which they do some basic eye and vision tests to check how they holding up. I will never forget being lead through a blurry world to the exam room only to be told by the surgeon that my result was excellent, I was already above the minimum required level to be able to legally drive. Drive! I could barely see my way to the fking chair and people get behind the wheel of a car like this? Be careful out there people.

You then get a regimen of eye drops and eye shields to wear at night to stop you from poking/rubbing/scratching etc while asleep. By the next day I was seeing pretty clearly (enough for me to feel comfortable about driving) and withing 4 or 5 days I had better vision than I thought possible.

Over the last 5 years my vision has very slightly worsened again but I'm still well outside the margin where specs/lenses would be required (and besides, I paid for the lifetime service option so I can have it done again for free) and I sometimes notice a slight delay in focusing on things at a distance of ~20ft+ after concentrating on a book for hours at a time but this doesn't bother me.

It was just such a great feeling waking up on about day 3 and seeing very clearly, suddenly realising I didn't have to reach for my glasses or faff with my lenses ever again smile

Oh... and I got a refund for the anaesthetic balls up so win-win.

Edited by MacW on Tuesday 12th March 16:12

Silverbullet767

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11,234 posts

235 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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Other than the anaesthetic wearing off, it doesn't sound too bad.

I have looked at ultra-lase to get the ultra elite surgery, £1390 per eye which seems reasonable for the top procedure (LASEK) it's not something I want to scrimp on.

I'm not 100% on my own prescription, but it's less than -2.0 or even -1.5 in both eyes.

Has anyone used ultra-lase?

gazchap

1,546 posts

212 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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I went with Ultralase, in September 2007. Here's my account, from my website)

gazchap said:
In September 2007, I underwent LASIK laser eye surgery with Ultralase in Birmingham. As a relatively active member of the Something Awful forums, I wrote an account of my experiences on the day and posted it in the General Bullst subforum on September 19th, two days after the operation.

I spent Monday morning at work and was surprisingly not all that nervous. This carried on through to the afternoon, when my Dad and I arrived at Ultralase about half an hour early. Not being able to find a pub to get some Dutch courage down me, we sat in the waiting room until I was called through.

The optometrist there took another average measurement of my pupil size, and I was then taken through to the preparation room by the surgery technician. Here we went through some questions (my name, date of birth, what treatment I was having etc.) to make sure that they had the right person.

The technician then showed me the medication that I would need to take after the operation. Four bottles of eye drops (two types of medication, but one bottle for each eye) and two bottles of artificial tears.

The eye drops, he said, need to be taken once every two hours until the end of Wednesday, then you need to take them once every four hours for the next 7 days after that. The artificial tears are just to be taken when required, if at all.

He then showed me a pair of plastic eyeshields. I'll need to wear these shields every night for the next two weeks, to stop me from rubbing my eyes in my sleep.

After all was said and done, I just needed to sign the consent form, put some "bin bags" over my shoes to keep the floor in the theatre sterile, and then have my eyes marked with iodine and anaesthetised.

I was placed under the laser machine, which was quite uncomfortable as it meant looking straight into a load of bright white LEDs. I noticed a flashing red LED and a flashing green LED also.

The surgeons put a shield over my left eye and put me under the "Intralase" laser which is what cuts the flap in the cornea. They told me that they were going to put a pressure ring on my eye that would increase the pressure in my eyes and that it would feel uncomfortable but it wouldn't last long.

I saw the ring come down but didn't feel it go on the eye until the machine started increasing the pressure - it felt like my eye was being forced into my head. It was incredibly uncomfortable, and eventually there was a sound like a can of Coke being opened. I have no idea what this sound was (I was hoping they'd tell me at every step, it would have helped me relax) but I am guessing it was a blade coming across to actually make the flap. I could see but it was very very blurry.

They then repeated the process for the other eye (swapping the shield over, natch) and then it was time for the laser correction. The surgeons told me that the worst bit was over - how wrong they were :P They put a clamp in my eye (to hold it open so that I couldn't blink) and it started.

During the procedure, I could see a flashing red light and a steady green light. Again, I could see but they were telling me to focus on the red light which wasn't easy as it was blurry and kept moving about. This meant I was moving my eyes all over the shop and they had to keep telling me to keep my eyes still - never an easy task, for me at least. My eyes' default resting position seems to be looking straight up rather than straight ahead.

The laser itself is visible but only as a flashing blue light. This surprised me, as it supposedly fires at quite a high rate (it pulses rather than a constant beam) so I expected the "fire rate" (Hz) to be higher than I'd be able to detect. With each flash there was a cracking sound. Supposedly it smells like burnt bacon at this point because of your eye being burnt away, but I made sure to breathe through my mouth rather than my nose.

After only a few minutes, all of the correction was carried out. They repeated the process for the other eye, and then it was all over.

It was incredibly uncomfortable throughout, but it wasn't pain. The discomfort was mainly caused by having my eye clamped open and not being able to blink, despite wanting to. Also having copious amounts of water dripped into my eye and then seeing their swabs wiping the surface of the eye clean. The urge to blink was ridiculously strong, I was hoping the anaesthetic would take care of it all.

After the procedure, I could see but it was stupidly blurry and I couldn't keep my eyes open for longer than a second - presumably that was because they had just been clamped open for minutes at a time and wanted to rest.

The ride home with my Dad was basically just me with sunglasses on and a jumper over my head to keep the light out, with my eyes closed and a handkerchief stuck to my nose.

When I got home I had to put drops in my eyes. This was not an easy task, as I couldn't see clearly at all, and as it was dark I couldn't turn the light on because I was too light sensitive. I managed it though, and after managing to tape the eyeshields to my face (picture to follow) I went to bed. I didn't sleep, but I at least rested my eyes.

Which led through to yesterday. I woke up in the morning and everything was really blurry. "st", I thought, "it hasn't worked.".

After a moment's panic, I realised I still had the eyeshields on and that I was looking through plastic. I took the shields off and it was like an epiphany. Fantastic. I went for the checkup yesterday and they're healing really well and my vision should get even better in the next few days.

So, in summary, I could not go through with the procedure again (it was far more uncomfortable than I expected) but I thoroughly recommend it to anyone who needs it. So far I think I've gotten off lightly, I've not had any dryness or irritation.
I didn't realise the effect it would have until I had a shower the following morning.

Something wasn't right, but I couldn't quite put my finger on it. It was only after a few minutes that I realised I could see the plughole completely clearly.

Shaw Tarse

31,886 posts

232 months

Tuesday 12th March 2013
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An old thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
PHer 968 is (I think ) a surgeon?

ally_f

245 posts

216 months

Wednesday 13th March 2013
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+1 for Ultralase (I used the Birmingham branch)

45 minute consultation, simple 10 minute procedure, unbelievably excruciating pain for around 4 hours after-wards (after anesthetic had worn off), but no pain the next morning. Then gradual improvements in vision and comfort for a couple of weeks, with a faffy eye drop / eye shield at night routine... now I have decent vision and no downsides.

Money well spent for me.

:-)

T5SOR

2,030 posts

254 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Booked in for an appointment with Vision Express. Interested, but need to find out how much they charge.

Terminator X

20,450 posts

233 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Don't like thought of eyeball being cut, not for me. Will stick to daily disposables.

TX.

DuraAce

4,272 posts

189 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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You don't feel it or even know its been done. It's cut by laser. I didn't know mine had been cut until he told me he'd done it.

The best money I ever spent. Wish I'd done it years ago.

anonymous-user

83 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Done over 13 years ago for shortsightedness with a slight astigmatism, £3.5k,TPRK on one eye, lasik, on the other, best money EVER spent and probably saved about that on contact lens fluids, lenses etc,

That feeling when you open your eyes in the morning and can see the clock, TV, garden etc without poking contacts into your eyes, great for everything no glasses to get knocked off & bust, no problems with rain, water swimming etc

13 years later and sight still spot on smile

jontymo

848 posts

179 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Had mine done at Optical Express in Leeds 3 or 4 years ago and its the best thing i have had done after wearing glasses/contacts for over 20 years.

Mine went a bit wrong as the suction cup they put on your eye kept coming off as i was try to get my head out of the way of the laser but apart from that no issues whatsoever apart from what they tell you ie dry eyes for a few weeks.

ps i'm a proper soft arse as well!!!!!!!!!!!! still alls good and at 44 still not as yet needed reading glasses

Yamatrix850

290 posts

163 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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You only get one pair of eyes and they're pretty essential to living a normal life. It's for this reason that I won't let anyone, especially Vision Express, near my eyes with a laser.

kingstondc5

8,017 posts

233 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Went to London Vision CLinic for mine last year had a quick turn around period from with regards to initial consultation to surgery, and went as follows from what i can remember;

Apologies over the disjointedness of the attached, spelling and grammar but its legible
1. Initial Consultation discussing why i want to do it and payment options
2.1st meet
[i]Well, Part 1 has now been undertaken in which my eyes are tested in several ways to check for discrepancies/vision and other stuff - im all good except that i have larger pupils and thinner corneas (weight saving yo!) than the average person so ill be needing the more expensive option (£6300) unfortunately. The plus side to this is that the odds of suffering from halos in night time driving is lowered.

I may also have to have key hole laser surgery but time taken is no more than the normal way (bout 40 seconds per eye)

Was only in there for 2 hours all in but the time flew by so quickly.

Other items to note are that;
  • you cant do contact sport (such as boxing sparring, BJJ or any sports that involve contact with the eye) for 3 months
  • it takes about 3 months for the eyes to settle down (in which you have 3 eye tests to check on everything)
  • cant get your eyes wet for a month
  • no rubbing them for a month
Ive got a meeting on Thursday with the 'surgeon', so will give a quick update then for those that are considering it.

Then its surgery on the following Tuesday (all being well)[/i]

3rd consultations;
[i]OK, so i meet the surgeon yesterday and its basically a meet n greet with him just for the personal touch/put you at ease really.

Had another quick eye exam to check my sight hadnt changed since the Monday but its all fine and im able to read the line smaller than 20/20 vision so should get good results.

He explained to me again how it all works and what happens if i dont meet 20/20 first time round, its basically theyll redo the surgery for free to 'correct' the imperfection or if too much damage has been done inside the eye then they cant do anything - but all that means is that ill just have just slightly less than 20/20 which is what most normal people have anyway.

It also takes about 3 months for your eyes to settle and during this period, halo's around car lights at night will start big but then start to diminish - so all being well, ill be fine for winter driving. I kinda wish i did this back in March now (when i did my knee) as id be able to 'enjoy' our summer

By the sounds of it, the surgery isnt the hardest part but its the aftercare side that will be time consuming.

Also, the optician there (attractive lady ) had -10 eye sight and they treated her[/i]

surgery day;
[i]So yesterday, i had my eyes lasered - im using my phone to write this as screens to brught at the mo.

Anyway, didnt get s great nights sleep monday bight, not due to being scared but being scared of sleeping througblh the alarm. anyway, arrive at lvc and its quiet which nice and im quivkly processed through:
  • go through the aftercare do/donts etc
  • get offered a massage but decline as i had one sunday plus doubt theyd offer happy endings as well
  • eventually go into theatre where you chat to the foc and stuff ad they relax you some more.
  • laif on the bed and get offered a cuddly toy for comfort - declined
  • o im on the bed and their putting a blanket over me and giv me the cuddly toy again - i accept it as dont think theyll take no for an answer
  • so im underneath one machinee and some laser comes down does skmething, while this is happening, my left arms fine but my rihhts strangling the toy lol
  • bith eyes are done and i think thats it but no, swivel round to the next machine and now its treatment time
  • preety much the same procedure and i found it harto look straight and not follow the light so had to relax a bit. happened on both eyes and still gripping thd toy as the lights are bright and i just want to look away.
  • anyay, all over within 3 mibs and yes when their cutting it smells like burning hair, anyway, rhands hone numb lol
  • so once ive got feeling back im ushered for a quick eye exam and alls ok
  • so taken to a darkened room and go through the atercare again - every 15 mins itd eyedrops, anti biotics every 4 which s a pain in the arse tbh but heyho its only fora day
  • eyes feel fine (bit cloudy but to be expected) with the riht feeling if a small.bit of grits in there but its to be expected. left feels fine.
Anyway, pop the plastic caps on for sleeping, takr sleeping pills and jobs done.

Return to opticians today for a quick check up, seeing at greater than 20/20 but its a bit blurry but itll be like this for 3 months but alls good.

Still have to do anti biotics every 4 but drops are evrry 2.

Well impressef and happy with the results so far and currently sitting in the sun (but in oakley polarised lenses)[/i]

What i dont mention above is that you have to put eye drops in every x amount of minutes per day for x amount of days after to keep them lubed up. Even now im still supposed to lube them up 5 times a day (but thats due to me having dry eyes)

I didnt experience any discomfort (bar the 'grit' feel but that quickly went). And the only cons for me so far, have been that i now dislike night driving as find other cars headlights to be to bright (though if i do drive at night, i take the 4x4) and rear lights can get fuzzy though a quick drop of tears sorts that out and looking at my phones lcd screen gives me eye strain.

kingstondc5

8,017 posts

233 months

Friday 15th March 2013
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Just read gazchaps experience and must say that i didnt experience anything that he did with regards to discomfort.

I guess it just comes down to the team you get, hence why i decided to spend some more.


gazchap

1,546 posts

212 months

Saturday 16th March 2013
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kingstondc5 said:
Just read gazchaps experience and must say that i didnt experience anything that he did with regards to discomfort.

I guess it just comes down to the team you get, hence why i decided to spend some more.
Might have just been me, to be fair. As I said, it wasn't painful, just felt very uncomfortable.

The treatment I had was pretty much the most expensive one they offered at the time, the full "IntraLase" Wavefront LASIK. £2K per eye.

tank slapper

7,949 posts

312 months

Saturday 16th March 2013
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Shaw Tarse said:
An old thread http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
PHer 968 is (I think ) a surgeon?
Read through that thread. There is a lot of good information and advice in it from 968.


I had it done at Accuvision in Fulham getting on for 5 years ago, and they were superb. They recommended the treatment that they thought would give the best outcome, and there was no attempt to try and sell extras or to get me to spend more on things like 'wavefront' or whatever. They were actually quite a lot cheaper than some of the highstreet chains were offering as well.

You might find this site useful.

T5SOR

2,030 posts

254 months

Saturday 23rd March 2013
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Went for my consultation at Optical Express today and everything went well. Got quoted 1800 quid for LASIK surgery for both eyes.

They believe I will see better than 20:20 and they also mentioned the preperation would be done with a laser and not the mechanical method. If they degrade within 3 years they will redo the surgery for free.

I believe the correction lasts forever and my eyes will only degrade at 40 and reading glasses are needed. Is that correct?

anonymous-user

83 months

Sunday 24th March 2013
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T5SOR said:
Went for my consultation at Optical Express today and everything went well. Got quoted 1800 quid for LASIK surgery for both eyes.

They believe I will see better than 20:20 and they also mentioned the preperation would be done with a laser and not the mechanical method. If they degrade within 3 years they will redo the surgery for free.

I believe the correction lasts forever and my eyes will only degrade at 40 and reading glasses are needed. Is that correct?
I had mine done 1998, hit 45 next month and i'm not even close to thinking about reading glasses, I suppose they have to give you worst case scenario to cover they're ass.

mcflurry

9,188 posts

282 months

Sunday 24th March 2013
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I had mine done in the late 1990s.

TBH it was great not wearing glasses, but should have waited for the technology to improve.
I was a -9.25 and -8.50, which they got down to -0.50 and -0.25 smile

Over the last few years my eyes have got a little worse and are now around -1 plus a bit of astigmatism, so have to wear glasses for work and driving frown

I could do it again, but IMHO the risk/reward isn't worth it now.
Back then if there was a 50% chance of success I would have taken it not to continue with bottletop glasses..