can I make bacon 'good' for me?
can I make bacon 'good' for me?
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smiffy180

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6,029 posts

179 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Had a chicken, bacon, cheese and spicy bbq wrap x2 yesterday and I'm sure my mouth had sex.
I can still taste it now and I actually crave another.
In storage I have a george forman type grill - those ones that get rid of fat; so if I used this would I:
A) be making bacon 'healthy'
And if so how much would you recommend a day?
(My wraps contained ~250g of chicken + ~250g of bacon in total so ~ 150g of protein from meat?)

Heathwood

3,032 posts

231 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Personally, I use back bacon, trim all the rind off and grill, rather than fry. Still not sure it's strictly 'good' for you, but I don't think it's particularly bad.

Pothole

34,367 posts

311 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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All cured meat 'gives you cancer' so George will do nothing for you.

Flibble

6,538 posts

210 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Pothole said:
All cured meat 'gives you cancer' so George will do nothing for you.
This. Apparently it's the curing process that causes it, so you can cook it how you like. I just say fk it and eat it anyway of course. biggrin

Hoofy

79,992 posts

311 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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If you say three times, "I'm eating Paleo", it's fine.

mattikake

5,110 posts

228 months

Monday 1st April 2013
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Ahem. http://chriskresser.com/the-nitrate-and-nitrite-my...

AFAIK the cancer risk from red meats (which are usually cured meats) are from the quantity consumed and how difficult it is to break down - the hardest of all food sources. This means if you're a regular red meat eater and/or are obese, the chances are you have nice store of undigested red meat in your gut. This eventually rots, causes infection and then cancer can result from the inevitable dna damage a persistent infection can cause.

That's been known for at least 30 years.

smiffy180

Original Poster:

6,029 posts

179 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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Ill stick to a weekend treat in my wraps then biggrin.

Pothole

34,367 posts

311 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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mattikake said:
Ahem. http://chriskresser.com/the-nitrate-and-nitrite-my...

AFAIK the cancer risk from red meats (which are usually cured meats) are from the quantity consumed and how difficult it is to break down - the hardest of all food sources. This means if you're a regular red meat eater and/or are obese, the chances are you have nice store of undigested red meat in your gut. This eventually rots, causes infection and then cancer can result from the inevitable dna damage a persistent infection can cause.

That's been known for at least 30 years.
Ahem yourself. I should have used 'processed' and not 'cured'...

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-21682779

article said:
Sausages, ham, bacon and other processed meats appear to increase the risk of dying young, a study of half a million people across Europe suggests.

It concluded diets high in processed meats were linked to cardiovascular disease, cancer and early deaths.

Hoofy

79,992 posts

311 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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But occasionally is fine.



Mmmmmm. Christ. I haven't had a bacon sandwich in about 3 years!! *gnaws desk*

mu0n

2,348 posts

162 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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I wouldn’t worry about the processed/cured meats causing cancer.

Yeah, eat bacon, just don’t eat it all the time would be my advice. You can easily accommodate it in your diet even if it’s fairly strict.

As an alternative, have you looked at a bacon flavouring? Bacon salt I’ve seen advertised… or maybe bacon bits? Those bits you get with salad?

My brother bought me a George Foreman as a gift and I make grilled chicken on it all the time. It’s great as you can cook a chicken breast fillet in about 5 minutes and you don’t need to use any oil. It’s a bit of a PITA to clean mind you.

I love bacon a lot – but I don’t have it that often. Mainly because I see it as a weekend breakfast food and I’m rarely up for breakfast on the weekend. hehe

Black pudding and bacon. The staple of a good fry up!

smiffy180

Original Poster:

6,029 posts

179 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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Hoofy said:
But occasionally is fine.



Mmmmmm. Christ. I haven't had a bacon sandwich in about 3 years!! *gnaws desk*

LBird

430 posts

241 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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It is also full of salt, an excess of which (more than 6g/day for an adult) can contribute to multitudinous health problems:

http://www.actiononsalt.org.uk/salthealth/index.ht...

pilchardthecat

7,483 posts

208 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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What if you eat a fk-tonne of red meat, but are not overweight?

blugnu

1,523 posts

270 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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I've just had a long weekend away with a massive cooked breakfast every morning.

God I'm hungry today. Thanks for being tasty, animals.

IroningMan

10,598 posts

275 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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Depends on what the processing involves - and what's added as part of the process.

Otherwise by what possible mechanism can minced beef be more harmful than un-minced beef?

theshrew

6,008 posts

213 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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mu0n said:
My brother bought me a George Foreman as a gift and I make grilled chicken on it all the time. It’s great as you can cook a chicken breast fillet in about 5 minutes and you don’t need to use any oil. It’s a bit of a PITA to clean mind you.

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Place your Chicken or whatever your cooking on foil, fold the foil from the side over the top. All the muck can still drain off + you dont burn the outside of the meat. Chicken stays more moist = Miles better and less mess to clean up.

LordGrover

34,155 posts

241 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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mattikake said:
... the cancer risk from red meats (which are usually cured meats) ...
Based on what?
I've always considered beef and lamb to be red meats which are rarely cured to my knowledge*. Plenty of pork products obviously; german and italian fair in particular.

* I've been wrong on this kind of thing many times before though. paperbag

pilchardthecat

7,483 posts

208 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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mattikake said:
.... This means if you're a regular red meat eater and/or are obese, the chances are you have nice store of undigested red meat in your gut. This eventually rots...
This is a complete myth. The digestive system simply does not work like that.

mu0n

2,348 posts

162 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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theshrew said:
Place your Chicken or whatever your cooking on foil, fold the foil from the side over the top. All the muck can still drain off + you dont burn the outside of the meat. Chicken stays more moist = Miles better and less mess to clean up.
Well I quite like the bar-marking you get from the grill + I don't over cook my chicken like a lot of idiots who don't know what they're doing. Also, foil isn't that cheap. I do have some cilit bang power degreaser... might give that a couple of squirts next time.

If I cook in the oven I tend to use foil.

mattikake

5,110 posts

228 months

Tuesday 2nd April 2013
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pilchardthecat said:
mattikake said:
.... This means if you're a regular red meat eater and/or are obese, the chances are you have nice store of undigested red meat in your gut. This eventually rots...
This is a complete myth. The digestive system simply does not work like that.
sssshh wink

"...by the time the average american is 50 he has 5lbs of undigested red meat in his bowles."