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Hey guys, this isn't for me because I am the opposite (not gained a thing!) but just looking for some advice/comments on this situation.
Person I know wants to lose some weight. They are generally quite fit even though not one of these slim rakish people you see in magazines (id say their body is definitely exomorphic).
This is it in a nut shell... we did Insanity, just finished. As well as insanity work outs we continued to do swim training. This is about 3 times a week (on top of daily insanity), doing about 3-3.5 km a session. By anyone's accounts, that is a fair amount of fairly high intensity level exercise. The swimming we have always done, even more so in the recent past and even more than that a few years ago (read 60 km per week in the pool) so underlying fitness is high.
Food wise, we did not follow the insanity diet plan. Maybe a mistake there, but I did look at it and bar eating 5 small meals a day, the food we eat isn't too dissimilar. Lots of fresh food, no pre-packed, pre-cooked dinners etc. They typically have a small breakfast (measured out) and a salad for lunch and then a decent dinner made from scratch.
Now we definitely got better at insanity. The fit tests show as much. In some exercises we were capable of more than double the number of reps by the end. Neither of us look any different, nor weigh any different. I am not so fussed, I just wanted to do the thing and get better and feel stronger (which I do). But their goal was to lose some size/weight and it didn't happen.
I don't understand really. Going by the insanity calorie calculator this person needed 2200 calories per day to lose weight. Without counting we are not sure for certain, but it certainly didn't seem like they were over eating. But perhaps some things just contain more than you realize.
I have suggested the myfitnesspal app to track food intake. Using their calculator I chose mostly sedentary activity (during the day is office work so sat down a lot) and then chose to lose the middle amount of weight per week. This gives 1500 cal before adding exercise. So will see how that pans out. Adding exercise seems to be difficult for swimming. HR monitors don't work in the pool well at all, and the training sets are intervals and things so in an hour we may only be swimming 45-50 mins and some of that is easy (maybe 140-150 bpm, some will be more moderate 160-180 bpm and a little maybe intense, going on for max HR) and we'll get 3 k done easy in that time. But apps like endomondo spit out some huge numbers for calories burned (like 800!) and I just don't believe it.
Any more suggestions?
Person I know wants to lose some weight. They are generally quite fit even though not one of these slim rakish people you see in magazines (id say their body is definitely exomorphic).
This is it in a nut shell... we did Insanity, just finished. As well as insanity work outs we continued to do swim training. This is about 3 times a week (on top of daily insanity), doing about 3-3.5 km a session. By anyone's accounts, that is a fair amount of fairly high intensity level exercise. The swimming we have always done, even more so in the recent past and even more than that a few years ago (read 60 km per week in the pool) so underlying fitness is high.
Food wise, we did not follow the insanity diet plan. Maybe a mistake there, but I did look at it and bar eating 5 small meals a day, the food we eat isn't too dissimilar. Lots of fresh food, no pre-packed, pre-cooked dinners etc. They typically have a small breakfast (measured out) and a salad for lunch and then a decent dinner made from scratch.
Now we definitely got better at insanity. The fit tests show as much. In some exercises we were capable of more than double the number of reps by the end. Neither of us look any different, nor weigh any different. I am not so fussed, I just wanted to do the thing and get better and feel stronger (which I do). But their goal was to lose some size/weight and it didn't happen.
I don't understand really. Going by the insanity calorie calculator this person needed 2200 calories per day to lose weight. Without counting we are not sure for certain, but it certainly didn't seem like they were over eating. But perhaps some things just contain more than you realize.
I have suggested the myfitnesspal app to track food intake. Using their calculator I chose mostly sedentary activity (during the day is office work so sat down a lot) and then chose to lose the middle amount of weight per week. This gives 1500 cal before adding exercise. So will see how that pans out. Adding exercise seems to be difficult for swimming. HR monitors don't work in the pool well at all, and the training sets are intervals and things so in an hour we may only be swimming 45-50 mins and some of that is easy (maybe 140-150 bpm, some will be more moderate 160-180 bpm and a little maybe intense, going on for max HR) and we'll get 3 k done easy in that time. But apps like endomondo spit out some huge numbers for calories burned (like 800!) and I just don't believe it.
Any more suggestions?
I guarantee you were/are over-eating.
It is just impossible to keep to a strict diet and training regime and NOT make a decent transformation.
Is insanity all bodyweight stuff? You'd be better following a weight training programme to make a bigger transformation/change to your physique.
It is just impossible to keep to a strict diet and training regime and NOT make a decent transformation.
Is insanity all bodyweight stuff? You'd be better following a weight training programme to make a bigger transformation/change to your physique.
mu0n said:
I guarantee you were/are over-eating.
It is just impossible to keep to a strict diet and training regime and NOT make a decent transformation.
Is insanity all bodyweight stuff? You'd be better following a weight training programme to make a bigger transformation/change to your physique.
Not for me pal.It is just impossible to keep to a strict diet and training regime and NOT make a decent transformation.
Is insanity all bodyweight stuff? You'd be better following a weight training programme to make a bigger transformation/change to your physique.
Yeah insanity is all body weight. I am looking at P90X next which uses weights. Personally I just want to be stronger, more powerful, with more endurance. I don't necessarily want to get much bigger.
The person I did insanity with though purely wants to shed some weight. My first guess was over eating, hence getting them to really count everything that goes in using that fitnesspal app. So far its been a bit of an eye opener.... some things have way more than you think and it seems especially hard to avoid going over the sugar RDA.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Not for me pal.
Yeah insanity is all body weight. I am looking at P90X next which uses weights. Personally I just want to be stronger, more powerful, with more endurance. I don't necessarily want to get much bigger.
The person I did insanity with though purely wants to shed some weight. My first guess was over eating, hence getting them to really count everything that goes in using that fitnesspal app. So far its been a bit of an eye opener.... some things have way more than you think and it seems especially hard to avoid going over the sugar RDA.
Yep, MFP is a good trainer for discipline. I use it and it works mentally. You end up avoiding that mocha because you can't 'afford' the 200+ calories.Yeah insanity is all body weight. I am looking at P90X next which uses weights. Personally I just want to be stronger, more powerful, with more endurance. I don't necessarily want to get much bigger.
The person I did insanity with though purely wants to shed some weight. My first guess was over eating, hence getting them to really count everything that goes in using that fitnesspal app. So far its been a bit of an eye opener.... some things have way more than you think and it seems especially hard to avoid going over the sugar RDA.
I do think those programmes are good without seeing/using them but I do think they are limited + definitely not for people who want to get 'bigger'.
I view things much more simpler. Lift heavy and exhaust your muscles with as heavy weights as you can safely manage & then use cardio + diet to help lose fat/weight. I do enjoy HIIT but only 2-3 times per week or so. Great for a time saver in getting a good, tiring workout in and helping to achieve your weight loss goals but won't make you big or instantly ripped.
mu0n said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Not for me pal.
Yeah insanity is all body weight. I am looking at P90X next which uses weights. Personally I just want to be stronger, more powerful, with more endurance. I don't necessarily want to get much bigger.
The person I did insanity with though purely wants to shed some weight. My first guess was over eating, hence getting them to really count everything that goes in using that fitnesspal app. So far its been a bit of an eye opener.... some things have way more than you think and it seems especially hard to avoid going over the sugar RDA.
Yep, MFP is a good trainer for discipline. I use it and it works mentally. You end up avoiding that mocha because you can't 'afford' the 200+ calories.Yeah insanity is all body weight. I am looking at P90X next which uses weights. Personally I just want to be stronger, more powerful, with more endurance. I don't necessarily want to get much bigger.
The person I did insanity with though purely wants to shed some weight. My first guess was over eating, hence getting them to really count everything that goes in using that fitnesspal app. So far its been a bit of an eye opener.... some things have way more than you think and it seems especially hard to avoid going over the sugar RDA.
I do think those programmes are good without seeing/using them but I do think they are limited + definitely not for people who want to get 'bigger'.
I view things much more simpler. Lift heavy and exhaust your muscles with as heavy weights as you can safely manage & then use cardio + diet to help lose fat/weight. I do enjoy HIIT but only 2-3 times per week or so. Great for a time saver in getting a good, tiring workout in and helping to achieve your weight loss goals but won't make you big or instantly ripped.
Otispunkmeyer said:
it certainly didn't seem like they were over eating.
Why not?You have no idea how many calories of "healthy food" you were eating. You say plenty of fresh fruit. You can easily eat far too much thinking you're going to lose weight. Lots of calories in those bananas - many people eat them before training. MFP is your friend!
Edited by Hoofy on Thursday 4th July 11:51
Otispunkmeyer said:
Absolutely. The guys they use in those videos are proper barbie and ken plastic bodies. Some of its just genetics, the rest is years of hard work and strict dieting. I may see if they will join the uni gym with me for the summer. Its nice and empty now the students are gone. Though even I get disenchanted with the gym at times....I prefer being told what to do by someone who knows what they're on about!
lol yep - most of the ripped, big guys you see doing these videos (along with the latest fad exercise equipment) are pretty much bodybuilders/weight trainers exclusively and if they are doing insanity/p90x/anothertypeofhiitprogramme it would be something they either have always done once or twice a week on the side or more than likely, something they've recently turned their hand to.If you can get big from weights and then condition yourself with hiit (doesn't matter WHAT programme it is, any advanced hiit will do) then you'll be in great shape I'm sure.
Anyone listen to TalkSport last night? They had Akinfenwa on - basically known as The Beast and is the strongest stat player on Fifa.
This guy is a tank and is a professional football (soccer) player!
I haven't seen much of him, but I'd imagine he likes the ball into his feet.
Hoofy said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
it certainly didn't seem like they were over eating.
Why not?You have no idea how many calories of "healthy food" you were eating. You say plenty of fresh fruit. You can easily eat far too much thinking you're going to lose weight. Lots of calories in those bananas - many people eat them before training. MFP is your friend!
Edited by Hoofy on Thursday 4th July 11:51
Interesting point you raise as this person also tried weight watchers in the past with their points system. Now their system attributes 0 points to things like fruit and veg. The implication being you can eat as much as you want, which I think is wrong, but there must be a reason behind their thinking.
Otispunkmeyer said:
They hate bananas! But I like them, usually try to scoff one after training.
Interesting point you raise as this person also tried weight watchers in the past with their points system. Now their system attributes 0 points to things like fruit and veg. The implication being you can eat as much as you want, which I think is wrong, but there must be a reason behind their thinking.
I fInteresting point you raise as this person also tried weight watchers in the past with their points system. Now their system attributes 0 points to things like fruit and veg. The implication being you can eat as much as you want, which I think is wrong, but there must be a reason behind their thinking.
king hate retarded st like weight watchers. I'm sure it does work for some people, but I wonder what the success rate is? It just seems they devise stupid point systems rather than provide facts/things that work because they want their own unique style/selling point.Don't get me started on Atkins!
Before anyone mentions, “people don’t have time to go to the gym every day” or something else stupid… bear in mind, the fatties I hear or speak to will harp on about dieting/losing weight/clothes don’t fit all day long. They obsess over their weight more than anyone and spend a fortune on meal plans and memberships to these clubs and nothing ever changes!
Edited by mu0n on Thursday 4th July 12:11
mu0n said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Absolutely. The guys they use in those videos are proper barbie and ken plastic bodies. Some of its just genetics, the rest is years of hard work and strict dieting. I may see if they will join the uni gym with me for the summer. Its nice and empty now the students are gone. Though even I get disenchanted with the gym at times....I prefer being told what to do by someone who knows what they're on about!
lol yep - most of the ripped, big guys you see doing these videos (along with the latest fad exercise equipment) are pretty much bodybuilders/weight trainers exclusively and if they are doing insanity/p90x/anothertypeofhiitprogramme it would be something they either have always done once or twice a week on the side or more than likely, something they've recently turned their hand to.If you can get big from weights and then condition yourself with hiit (doesn't matter WHAT programme it is, any advanced hiit will do) then you'll be in great shape I'm sure.
Anyone listen to TalkSport last night? They had Akinfenwa on - basically known as The Beast and is the strongest stat player on Fifa.
This guy is a tank and is a professional football (soccer) player!
I haven't seen much of him, but I'd imagine he likes the ball into his feet.
One thing insanity has really improved though is flexibility. It has been really good doing those good long, deep stretches every day.
mu0n said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
They hate bananas! But I like them, usually try to scoff one after training.
Interesting point you raise as this person also tried weight watchers in the past with their points system. Now their system attributes 0 points to things like fruit and veg. The implication being you can eat as much as you want, which I think is wrong, but there must be a reason behind their thinking.
I fInteresting point you raise as this person also tried weight watchers in the past with their points system. Now their system attributes 0 points to things like fruit and veg. The implication being you can eat as much as you want, which I think is wrong, but there must be a reason behind their thinking.
king hate retarded st like weight watchers. I'm sure it does work for some people, but I wonder what the success rate is? It just seems they devise stupid point systems rather than provide facts/things that work because they want their own unique style/selling point.Don't get me started on Atkins!
Before anyone mentions, “people don’t have time to go to the gym every day” or something else stupid… bear in mind, the fatties I hear or speak to will harp on about dieting/losing weight/clothes don’t fit all day long. They obsess over their weight more than anyone and spend a fortune on meal plans and memberships to these clubs and nothing ever changes!
Edited by mu0n on Thursday 4th July 12:11
In fairness, WW did work for them for a while. But without paying to go to the meetings and such I think its easy to lose a bit of interest if your the type of person who needs the encouragement of others to keep up the motivation.
Through out my whole university life I had time for gym, swimming and even a year where I joined break dancing (seriously hard!) on top of that. I still came out the other side with a 1st and it wasn't a b
ks degree either (MEng Mech Eng). Granted, I spent my student loan on exercise and food instead of beer and going out, but if you just sit down and do your work when you're supposed to, then fitting things in isn't a problem.Otispunkmeyer said:
They hate bananas! But I like them, usually try to scoff one after training.
Interesting point you raise as this person also tried weight watchers in the past with their points system. Now their system attributes 0 points to things like fruit and veg. The implication being you can eat as much as you want, which I think is wrong, but there must be a reason behind their thinking.
Well, this fella only eats veg.Interesting point you raise as this person also tried weight watchers in the past with their points system. Now their system attributes 0 points to things like fruit and veg. The implication being you can eat as much as you want, which I think is wrong, but there must be a reason behind their thinking.
Hoofy said:
And these lovely ladies swear they only eat salads all day and yet they still don't have a beach body.
Salads.... yeah then forget the croutons and little cubes of cheese, ham and of course the dressing.The lettuce might be a few 10's of calories. The rest of the crap makes it worse than having a burger.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Salads.... yeah then forget the croutons and little cubes of cheese, ham and of course the dressing.
The lettuce might be a few 10's of calories. The rest of the crap makes it worse than having a burger.
S'right! Olive oil's deadly. Well, not actually deadly unless you fall in a deep vat of it but 1 tablespoon contains over 100 cals!The lettuce might be a few 10's of calories. The rest of the crap makes it worse than having a burger.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Through out my whole university life I had time for gym, swimming and even a year where I joined break dancing (seriously hard!) on top of that. I still came out the other side with a 1st and it wasn't a bks degree either (MEng Mech Eng).
Interesting throughout my higher education life, I spent all my time in the bar out of my nut on drugs and alcohol, after 4 years I got a distinction in drinking. I think I know where it went wrong now. ks degree either (MEng Mech Eng).
evo4a said:
Otispunkmeyer said:
Through out my whole university life I had time for gym, swimming and even a year where I joined break dancing (seriously hard!) on top of that. I still came out the other side with a 1st and it wasn't a bks degree either (MEng Mech Eng).
Interesting throughout my higher education life, I spent all my time in the bar out of my nut on drugs and alcohol, after 4 years I got a distinction in drinking. I think I know where it went wrong now. ks degree either (MEng Mech Eng).Gassing Station | Health Matters | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff