Military heel strike?
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Perec

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28,176 posts

251 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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I used to train with an ex marine who coached me to run with a heel strike. These days I tend to run (when not injured) with an almost flat foot, but slight emphasis on the balls of the feet.

I am reading a text by an ex commando and he is making reference to landing heel first.

So, is the heel strike a military thing?

grumbledoak

32,565 posts

262 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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I was under the impression it came along with Nike's "Running Shoes" in the early 1970s and prior to that it was "Clean pair of heels".

Fozziebear

1,840 posts

169 months

Monday 2nd September 2013
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Could be from the heel strike in parade drill and tabbing with a pack tends to make you heel strike.

dai1983

3,186 posts

178 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Fozziebear said:
Could be from the heel strike in parade drill and tabbing with a pack tends to make you heel strike.
Marines don't heel strike in drill and usually giggle like little school girls when the see the Army doing it! They don't tab either, they yomp. You are never taught a set way of running except in time and as a section/troop.

Esseesse

9,027 posts

237 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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I had a chat about running form etc with an ex running club coach a few weeks ago. He adamantly said that the correct way to run distance is with a heel strike. I don't think he really had an answer when I asked if he thought people heel strike if they don't have shoes on.

Hoofy

79,993 posts

311 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Before I was in the SBS (second canoe on the balcony etc), I was a Spartan and wore sandals into battle. How do you think we ran? 20 metres before complaining about heel ache and handing out the Ibuleve?

Perec

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251 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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I hope I am not going to regret writing this due to a dose of speaking too soon, but....

I am following a quasi military training regime that requires a power walk or run every morning and weights four times per week. The power walk/run builds progressively from a gentle walk to 2.5 minutes of flat out, lung busting, effort and then back down.

Normally, if I run more often than every three days I get calf injuries. However this week I have run three days consecutively and am still walking without mobility aids.

Do you think these military types know a thing or two?







grumbledoak

32,565 posts

262 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Perec said:
Do you think these military types know a thing or two?
That's not been my experience, no. biggrin

Perec

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28,176 posts

251 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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grumbledoak said:
Perec said:
Do you think these military types know a thing or two?
That's not been my experience, no. biggrin
Specifically commandos?

ewenm

28,506 posts

274 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Perec said:
I hope I am not going to regret writing this due to a dose of speaking too soon, but....

I am following a quasi military training regime that requires a power walk or run every morning and weights four times per week. The power walk/run builds progressively from a gentle walk to 2.5 minutes of flat out, lung busting, effort and then back down.

Normally, if I run more often than every three days I get calf injuries. However this week I have run three days consecutively and am still walking without mobility aids.

Do you think these military types know a thing or two?
Sounds like they know a thing or two about warming up and warming down around the short period of hard running.

Perec

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28,176 posts

251 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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ewenm said:
Perec said:
I hope I am not going to regret writing this due to a dose of speaking too soon, but....

I am following a quasi military training regime that requires a power walk or run every morning and weights four times per week. The power walk/run builds progressively from a gentle walk to 2.5 minutes of flat out, lung busting, effort and then back down.

Normally, if I run more often than every three days I get calf injuries. However this week I have run three days consecutively and am still walking without mobility aids.

Do you think these military types know a thing or two?
Sounds like they know a thing or two about warming up and warming down around the short period of hard running.
I'd say so. The last bit of power walking prior to the run starting also provides quite a good stretch.

ewenm

28,506 posts

274 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Perec said:
ewenm said:
Perec said:
I hope I am not going to regret writing this due to a dose of speaking too soon, but....

I am following a quasi military training regime that requires a power walk or run every morning and weights four times per week. The power walk/run builds progressively from a gentle walk to 2.5 minutes of flat out, lung busting, effort and then back down.

Normally, if I run more often than every three days I get calf injuries. However this week I have run three days consecutively and am still walking without mobility aids.

Do you think these military types know a thing or two?
Sounds like they know a thing or two about warming up and warming down around the short period of hard running.
I'd say so. The last bit of power walking prior to the run starting also provides quite a good stretch.
I bet it's a far longer and more gradual warm up and warm down than you do if you just go for a run wink The warm down in particular should help ward off post-run calf issues.

Fozziebear

1,840 posts

169 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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dai1983 said:
Fozziebear said:
Could be from the heel strike in parade drill and tabbing with a pack tends to make you heel strike.
Marines don't heel strike in drill and usually giggle like little school girls when the see the Army doing it! They don't tab either, they yomp. You are never taught a set way of running except in time and as a section/troop.
Alright popeye! wink they also enjoy wearing women's clothes.

GTIR

24,741 posts

295 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Perec said:
grumbledoak said:
Perec said:
Do you think these military types know a thing or two?
That's not been my experience, no. biggrin
Specifically commandos?
Bunch of poofters in my experience.

Honestly. I've never met such a bunch of repressed gays in my life.

Unlike those Paras. Tough hetrosexual killers. yes

tori

1,799 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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It's absolute crap. Each heel strike you make lands in front of you (obviously) which in fact decelerates you. It also puts a whopping amount of stress on the ankle stabilizers (post tib, peroneals, achilles etc) so to encourage heel strike is just nonsensical. This is the problem with people going straight into those barefoot runners without a conversion of running style. The shoes may be great but if the running style is shocking you're in fall

Regiment

2,799 posts

188 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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tori said:
It's absolute crap. Each heel strike you make lands in front of you (obviously) which in fact decelerates you. It also puts a whopping amount of stress on the ankle stabilizers (post tib, peroneals, achilles etc) so to encourage heel strike is just nonsensical. This is the problem with people going straight into those barefoot runners without a conversion of running style. The shoes may be great but if the running style is shocking you're in fall
This, my understanding is that heel striking for distance runs is at last thing you should be doing generally because you're running a lot less efficiently. When you forefoot strike, the impact force compresses your calf muscles which acts as a spring that bounces back, pushing you forward. Heel striking, the impact force ends up going through your shin, your knees and into your hips.


MC Bodge

29,565 posts

204 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Thin, low drop soles, don't heel strike, but build up very gently! -and try to wear low-heeled shoes in everyday life too.

dai1983

3,186 posts

178 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Fozziebear said:
Alright popeye! wink they also enjoy wearing women's clothes.
Don't forget shagging lady boys!

tori

1,799 posts

210 months

Thursday 5th September 2013
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Regiment said:
tori said:
It's absolute crap. Each heel strike you make lands in front of you (obviously) which in fact decelerates you. It also puts a whopping amount of stress on the ankle stabilizers (post tib, peroneals, achilles etc) so to encourage heel strike is just nonsensical. This is the problem with people going straight into those barefoot runners without a conversion of running style. The shoes may be great but if the running style is shocking you're in fall
This, my understanding is that heel striking for distance runs is at last thing you should be doing generally because you're running a lot less efficiently. When you forefoot strike, the impact force compresses your calf muscles which acts as a spring that bounces back, pushing you forward. Heel striking, the impact force ends up going through your shin, your knees and into your hips.
Spot on.

Fozziebear

1,840 posts

169 months

Friday 6th September 2013
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dai1983 said:
Fozziebear said:
Alright popeye! wink they also enjoy wearing women's clothes.
Don't forget shagging lady boys!
I'd had to much rum!